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Joint and muscular pain after taking chantix

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  • Posted By: Anonymous
  • October 4, 2006
  • 05:05 PM

Hi,

I took the new pill chantix to try to quit smoking about 8 weeks ago. 3 days after taking it I started to feel weak and sore. After 8 days I could hardly move, I was in pain everywhere. I stopped taking it and went to my Doctor, who said I have arthritis, and the chantix had nothing to do with it. However, before I took it I was in perfect health, I am 51 years old and very active. Has anyone else experienced this? I don't believe I have arthritis, the pain has decreased but is not gone.

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  • 31 year old male, took Chantix for the first time this morning. Normally completely pain free person, right now my lower back, right knee and all joints are uncomfortably painful. If you read the fine print on the pharmacology of Chantix you will see that it not only highly binds to nicotine receptors but also moderately binds to 5HT3 receptors. This 5HT3 binding is not intended but an unfortunate effect of the chemical itself. A little research on pubmed shows that with too much 5HT3 specifically (not the other Serotonin receptors 1-7) that there is research suggesting that these people have a disease called fibromyalgia. Other sites have identified 5HT3 as the "P" or pain receptor. Stimulating a receptor for too long and the body will make more of those receptors (i.e. Prozac). I am seriously considering discontinuing Chantix, I definitely will not be taking it for more than a couple months.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • February 9, 2007
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  • Good Morning (what's good about it?) Well for those that who have not taken Chantix and feel that quitting smoking at any cost is what you need then do it. I quit one month ago after doing the "pre-quit" week on .5 mg Chantix. I quit on my start date and have not smoked since. I, too, am in so much pain that I have not been sleeping even on Lunesta. I have fibromyalgia and actually thought that by quitting smoking I might improve the painful symtons. I only came on this site by accident while trying to find out how to get rid of the horrible horrible GAS associated with the Chantix. Now I see why I was led here. Today will be my last day of Chantix, I will deal with the smoking urges however I happen to deal with them when that time comes and for now I will pray that the lifetime of pain that I have had and have now turned up the volume on will go away. I already know that describing pain in your whole body to someone who doesn't feel it also is not meaningful and to those that do share my pain already know what it feels like. I thought I had done something wrong for the past few days. I started working out with weights at a club upon quitting smoking so I thought I hurt myself, I thought my calcium was low and causing leg cramps, I thought I crammed myself into our back seat in our Jeep so a friend could ride in the front, I thought I had spent too much time sewing or watching TV. I never thought in a million years that the same drug that was keeping me smoke free was also hurting me so badly. My God help all of us.
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  • Glad I found this site. I am 45 and have fibromyalgia, reflux, asthma, IBS, chronic fatigue, high blood pressure, I have had back surgery, and have a ruptured disc. The poster who posted '...it seems like anywhere I have ever had an injury in my life has been brought back to life' describes exactly what I am feeling on Chantix.The first week on Chantix was fine - some mild nausea, but that was it. Week 2 was a little worse but still ok. Now week 3 I have incredible stabbing pains in my chest, my feet feel like I'm walking on broken glass, I have intense pain in my right shoulder, my joints ache more than usual, I'm more tired than usual, I have shortness of breath, I have a more severe lack of concentration, and the lymph nodes on my underarms ache continually. I'm getting the ***l off Chantix before it does permanent damage!
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  • I started Chantix about 3 weeks ago. It has helped me tremedously although I am still smoking occasionally. The problem is this... I have Fibromyalgia and Psoriatic arthritis and since taking chantix, I am aching all over, very flu like symptoms. Which really is what happens when I am having a flare. Anyway, on top of that, gastric symptoms, I am so bloated and my back/legs are just aching horribly. After reading all these posts, I am going to quit the chantix and if not better in 2 days, going to see a doc. Something just isn't right with me :((Anyone have gastric problems w/this drug??
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  • http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=521384&highlight=chantix+side+effectsThe above link is to the following post: CHANTIX adverse side effects and had to stop...anyone else?I got a prescription for Chantix in early March, thought it was a real miracle drug, it certainly did what it claimed to do; take away the cravings for nicotine, I was singing its' praises to everyone I knew who smoked.Unfortunately within 3 weeks of starting it my feet and lower legs swelled horribly and the pain was almost unbearable, I had extreme urinary urgency and was making many many trips a day to the bathroom (had to get rid of all that water that was in my lower extremities).Had some other physical problems that I had never had before taking Chantix. Called my doctor, she examined me, did a urine test in the office and ordered a Kidney Function Test and other blood tests, told me to stop the Chantix and await the test results. I was told if the test was normal to go back on it but SLOWLY, and see what happened.Within a week of going back on it the swelling started again, so I went back off and Dr said to NEVER take it again, to make sure it was in my record that I had a severe allergic reaction to it. So back to smoking again and wondering what to try now, over the years I've tried the patches, the gum, accupuncture, and probably a few other things including cold turkey.So although the swelling/edema went away the pain is STILL in my feet/lower legs after 4-5 months; I've had massages & pedicures, I've seen a podiatrist who said Mortons Neuroma, my doc wanted to check my veins/arteries due to the smoking, so had aterial ultra sound of my feet & legs....fine no problems, and an abdominal ultra sound to check the aortal artery that passes thru the abdominal (or something like that), and that test also perfectly fine. I've tried different types of shoes, even a new bed thinking it was something like that. My next stop may have to be at a neurologist to see if nerve pain.I have NEVER had problems with my feet ever.One of the major problems that MAY or MAY NOT be due to Chantix is this: I have been a chronic pain sufferer for several years and in a pain management program, and take medication daily for pain.I really believe that when I started the Chantix it somehow 'blocked' the effectiveness of my pain medication; before Chantix my fibromyalgia, chronic myofascial pain, etc was pretty well under control, after Chantix I have not had one full day where I feel I am at the same pain control level as before. I have discussed this with both my Primary care & Pain Mgmt Docs, they both just kinda shrug their shoulders and look at me as if I'm weird.Sorry to ramble but really curious to know if anyone else has had adverse side effects from Chantix? Surely I'm not the only one? And PLEASE don't reply and tell me how bad smoking is for me, I KNOW all of that already. Thank you.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • August 10, 2007
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  • http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=521384&highlight=chantix+side+effects The above link is to the following post: CHANTIX adverse side effects and had to stop...anyone else? I got a prescription for Chantix in early March, thought it was a real miracle drug, it certainly did what it claimed to do; take away the cravings for nicotine, I was singing its' praises to everyone I knew who smoked. Unfortunately within 3 weeks of starting it my feet and lower legs swelled horribly and the pain was almost unbearable, I had extreme urinary urgency and was making many many trips a day to the bathroom (had to get rid of all that water that was in my lower extremities). Had some other physical problems that I had never had before taking Chantix. Called my doctor, she examined me, did a urine test in the office and ordered a Kidney Function Test and other blood tests, told me to stop the Chantix and await the test results. I was told if the test was normal to go back on it but SLOWLY, and see what happened. Within a week of going back on it the swelling started again, so I went back off and Dr said to NEVER take it again, to make sure it was in my record that I had a severe allergic reaction to it. So back to smoking again and wondering what to try now, over the years I've tried the patches, the gum, accupuncture, and probably a few other things including cold turkey. So although the swelling/edema went away the pain is STILL in my feet/lower legs after 4-5 months; I've had massages & pedicures, I've seen a podiatrist who said Mortons Neuroma, my doc wanted to check my veins/arteries due to the smoking, so had aterial ultra sound of my feet & legs....fine no problems, and an abdominal ultra sound to check the aortal artery that passes thru the abdominal (or something like that), and that test also perfectly fine. I've tried different types of shoes, even a new bed thinking it was something like that. My next stop may have to be at a neurologist to see if nerve pain. I have NEVER had problems with my feet ever. One of the major problems that MAY or MAY NOT be due to Chantix is this: I have been a chronic pain sufferer for several years and in a pain management program, and take medication daily for pain. I really believe that when I started the Chantix it somehow 'blocked' the effectiveness of my pain medication; before Chantix my fibromyalgia, chronic myofascial pain, etc was pretty well under control, after Chantix I have not had one full day where I feel I am at the same pain control level as before. I have discussed this with both my Primary care & Pain Mgmt Docs, they both just kinda shrug their shoulders and look at me as if I'm weird. Sorry to ramble but really curious to know if anyone else has had adverse side effects from Chantix? Surely I'm not the only one? And PLEASE don't reply and tell me how bad smoking is for me, I KNOW all of that already. Thank you. I also suffer from chronic pain and have for years. I have fibromyalgia and Peripheral Neuropathy, go to a pain clinic monthly, and take pain medication daily just to keep pain at a level that I can function at. I only took the first dose of Chantix, one pill, and within 2 hours, I felt as though some one had beaten me with a stick! The pain came on so suddenly that I just sat down and cried...It was like it overpowered my pain meds, causing them to not work. I never knew a person could hurt this bad and still be alive. All day that day, even after taking more pain meds, I hurt. I took the maximun amount of pain medicine that was safe, but I got no relieve. Needless to say, I did not take Chantix again. For the next two days, I awoke with a headache, and I have had bouts of blurred vision since that day. Luckily, my pain medication started working the next day, but even now, it does't feel like it works as good as it did. If just one pill did this to me, I can't imagine what two would have done.What is it that is in this medicine that would cause this. Will it ever get out of your system, or has if permanently damaged a part of our brains. This stuff is scary. Now I'm concerned about my husband. He has been taking it for about a week. Today, he hasn't smoked at all, and that is fantastic. But it has really done a number on his stomach, and he just doesn't act like himself. For the past few days, he has been really ugly to me and the kids. Totally not like him, then today, he has been so mellow. He has just sat around, watched TV, or just starred at the walls. He even is speaking in a hushed voice, as if he is in his own little world. It is better than being angry but just not normal. Anyone have any problems with mood changes? Should I be worried about him? I am just so scared.
    Warriormom2 1 Replies
    • August 26, 2007
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  • You do sound a little petty, but I think that was obviously your intent. Those first posts of mine were written in a hurry, hence my spelling mistakes. You bring up good points, I don't as of this moment have the answers to what you're asking. I'm pretty sure that everyone has had suicidal depressive thoughts at some time in their lives, although I don't want to make light of yours. I do hope you're feeling better. I'll speak to my professor about the details, do some reading, and get back to you. I would have answered sooner, but I didn't see your post. Also, "foreign website" is not a reference, fyi. Talk about attempts at psychological manipulation, yea I PLAINLY stated that I didn't care if people committed suicide. Not. I WOULD read the site if you had presented a link, but for reasons only known to you, you didn't. Don't you find it odd that no one seemed to care that the man who 'flew into a rage' was blindly drunk? It would be interesting to see a correlation study presented with the facts you're suggesting. Quitting smoking is not easy, as the last poster so intelligently summarized. It's a 'buckle-down' hard-**s ***l. But this drug has made it easier for me, after countless attempts at quitting. I will admit that I shouldn't transfer my feelings so easily onto others. But I do still stick to my original thought, which was that some of the posts here were downright ridiculous. The drug is prescribed for a reason, it's not an over-the-counter medication at this point in history. No matter who you are or what you are/aren't going through, monitor your progress with your physician, no matter what. My defenses were up a bit as well from the insinuations that 'these statements are bunk". I don't have anything to gain by saying my legs hurt, or that my memory was pretty messed for quite awhile following using this drug, among other things. That said, I do apologize for sounding petty. All I was asking/suggesting was that is it possible that there isn't an actual inflammatory process (ruled out in my case by the rheumatologist I saw) with the people who are experiencing these pain issues, but something in the chemical binding of the drug to the previously mentioned receptor that is causing their PERCEPTION of pain to be out of whack? Having looked, very briefly, at a couple of studies that seem to suggest this receptor is not processing correctly in people with pain syndromes such as Fibromyalgia, etc. It was just a kooky, non-educated idea, based on someone else's brief post very early on on this same site. I truly would appreciate any feedback you could provide on this. I don't believe people are making the pain problems up, I am not. And, it evidently came up in the clinical trials to be included in the prescribing info as a frequent adverse event, but I have to wonder how many people who experienced the (joint) pain in the trial continued to experience it afterwards. Here is the requested link. Scroll down for the English bullet points. http://www.boocompany.com/index.cfm/content/story/id/15216 I have read enough additional accounts of people's completely out of character behaviour after they mixed alcohol with Chantix (some accounts could have mirrored the case of Carter Allbrecht) to think there needs to be better, stronger warnings against this practice. However, I don't drink at all-ever, and also found myself yelling, hanging up the phone, and acting very agitated with people I know and love. Completely out of character for me. It had been my contention that that unfortunate story could have taken place without the alcohol. Just my opinion, based on my own experience. It isn't my intention to scare anyone to the point where they wouldn't try taking Chantix, I am SURE the odds are very good that they would have no problems at all. If I were advocating against it, I would feel responsible for someone not trying it, and then getting lung cancer later down the road. I am glad to see the FDA reviewing the available accounts of the suicidal and psychotic behaviour, in the hopes that they could help the drug company better define risk groups for these types of reactions. But I can guarantee you, I have never had these types of thoughts before in my life. And they came out of the blue, which was terryfying. I didn't know such a black place existed in the brain until this happened. I am a very happy person as a rule. But you would have to know me.....And yes, I feel 85% back to my usual, joking, happy self. But it took the majority of this year for that to happen. Thanks for your response.
    b2winkle 10 Replies
    • November 25, 2007
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  • Hi Jim, Peabody, and everyone,I originally posted on 10/40/07 and was so glad to find this site. All of my symptoms are still here and worse. My knees, calves and ankles swell so bad now but it gets worse as the day goes on, then they are back to normal for a period of time in the morning. The joint pain is soooo awful I cry every nite after getting in bed. My knees feel like they will break when I sit down and when I go to get up. This all did not come on over time, it was just there when I woke up on 9/4, and I started Chantix on 8/29. I am still smoke free but I wonder sometimes if I started back would all this pain go away????? I have a constant creek in my neck and it makes it difficult to drive sometimes cause it is so hard to turn my head. My hands hurt so bad in the morning that I have to work them under hot water to get thim to loosen up. I do have some numbness in my face and lips but only sometimes and usually starting in the evening. I went to a rheumatologist on 12/10 but have not heard the results of the blood work. My doctor wanted me to go to the Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville Fl.( I live in Ga.) and I have been on a waiting list since Nov.18, but they finally called for an appointment and I go Feb.4. They told me to be prepared to stay a couple of days cause they may want to do more tests than they can do in a day, don't know what kind. They also told me they do not treat fibromyalgia. Well duh, I have not been diagnosed with that. I guess when they can't find anything else, that is what it will be. I have been taking Lyrica for 3 weeks now and it does not help. Enough of my pains, it is good to see someone still reading and writing back. I don't get depressed coming to this site, but feel like I have Friends that understand because they are going through the same thing. I can talk to my friends and family but only so much cause then I feel like a hypochondriac. Even though they try and do care, they don't really understand. I think everyone here understands each other and wants to listen, except those "ignoramous" people and we can ignore them. I hope everyday when I check my email that some one will have found a Dr. that can do something to stop this pain we are all in. I have a wonderful doctor that is genuinely concerned but does not know what else to do except try to find some help. Y'all please don't quit posting. We all need each other,at least that's how I feel. Happy new year and God Bless!Deb
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • January 2, 2008
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  • Hi Peabody Although I wrote that my symptoms have worsened over time they have not kept me from functioning. About two weeks ago I had to shovel snow from my driveway, which is one of my least favorite tasks. However I was grateful that I was still physically capable of performing manual tasks. I have a close friend who suffers from cancer. As a result of extensive chemotherapy he is incapable of performing almost any manual tasks. With that in mind I try to maintain an attitude of gratitude, "there but for the grace of God go I." My biggest problem with my symptoms has been the medical profession's inability to provide me with a definitive answer as to the cause. This has led to anxiety which is the worst symptom so far. I keep thinking there is something seriously wrong and the doctors cannot find an answer. Peabody, I enjoyed your McDonald's analogy, I know most people look upon that case as what is wrong with the legal system and I agree the amount of money she was awarded was ludicrous. I had taken some law classes and we briefly discussed that case, she won the case not because she was a klutz but because McDonald's violated industry standards by serving their coffee at hotter then 140 degrees. That still doesn't make a windfall right but that was the rationale behind the suit. I am glad that you are feeling better and I am sure that since you have stayed away from cigarettes you will be able to lose the weight as well. Olean, I am sorry to hear that you are not improving. However do not dismiss fibromyalgia as possible cause of your symptoms. In my research on possible causes of physical pain, fibromyalgia is mentioned and it is a recognized condition. I believed at one time that it was mainly a disease manifested in the head. Interestingly enough that may be partially true, there have been some studies that have linked fibromyalgia to decreased levels of serotonin and dopamine. Chantix works as a both a dopamine agonist and antagonist. That is it stimulates the levels of dopamine in the brain and it also works as a dopamine antagonist in that it blocks the effects of the dopamine your brain releases when you smoke a cigarette. So it is possible that the use of this drug causes the brain to decrease the level of dopamine that you had been producing. Since I am not a doctor or have any training whatsoever in the medical field my opinion is of limited value. However even though nicotine is a recognized dopamine agonist I would advise against going back to smoking, I did and it did not help.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • January 5, 2008
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  • Jim, glad you are able to do these tasks and hope you continue to be able. I hate you started back smoking, know you do too, but you will find a way to quit I'm sure. I too have contacted the FDA,filled out their form, but can you do it more than once? I do have more symptoms since I filled it out. I have not contacted Pfizer but will try to find where to do it. I did contact someone once on the Chantix website and they came back with a rediculous response that something else had caused my pains (joints etc.) because Chantix did not cause these symptoms! OMG!! I wrote back and quoted the side effects from the Chantix site and never heard any more from them. I too try to stay busy and so far can still do most things I always could, just do them in pain. I too am much worse at nite but am sleeping better these days. I know fibromyalgia is real but just hope I have something they can fix. Don't we all! My bloodwork from my rheumatology appt. was all ok. Good thing I guess. I go to Mayo Clinic in Feb. I will let everyone know how that comes out. Peabody, I am so glad some of your symptoms are improving. You quit smoking and stuck with it, you CAN loose the weight you want. Wasn't it you who was going to take a liver detox? I would like to know if you think it helped any and what was the name of it. Could that be why you are getting some better? I just hope soon that we are all better. If they told me a new drug would stop it all I think I would take it, nothing much to loose.Have a good Sunday everyone.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • January 6, 2008
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  • Jim, glad you are able to do these tasks and hope you continue to be able. I hate you started back smoking, know you do too, but you will find a way to quit I'm sure. I too have contacted the FDA,filled out their form, but can you do it more than once? I do have more symptoms since I filled it out. I have not contacted Pfizer but will try to find where to do it. I did contact someone once on the Chantix website and they came back with a rediculous response that something else had caused my pains (joints etc.) because Chantix did not cause these symptoms! OMG!! I wrote back and quoted the side effects from the Chantix site and never heard any more from them. I too try to stay busy and so far can still do most things I always could, just do them in pain. I too am much worse at nite but am sleeping better these days. I know fibromyalgia is real but just hope I have something they can fix. Don't we all! My bloodwork from my rheumatology appt. was all ok. Good thing I guess. I go to Mayo Clinic in Feb. I will let everyone know how that comes out. Peabody, I am so glad some of your symptoms are improving. You quit smoking and stuck with it, you CAN loose the weight you want. Wasn't it you who was going to take a liver detox? I would like to know if you think it helped any and what was the name of it. Could that be why you are getting some better? I just hope soon that we are all better. If they told me a new drug would stop it all I think I would take it, nothing much to loose.Have a good Sunday everyone. :) Yes, I did do a liver detox. I did it only for 1 week and it was supposed to be for 2. I quit taking everything...vitamins,etc. because I was really having major ar-hb. I think it helped some..it is probably not a bad idea to detox anyway..it is unbelievable how many metals,etc is living in our system just from the course of normal everyday living. I got mine an independant healthfood store. The name of it is"Complete Liver Cleanse" made by a company called EnzYmatic. The company is located in Green Bay,Wi. Here is the address of their website,I found it on the bottle...http://www.wbcleanse.com. If you follow through with this, please let me know how it does. Jim...I sure hope that things work out for you. I sincerely hope that with some time, perhaps the aches,pains and ills that you are now suffering will go away. Take care and please keep posting with us. Peabody
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    • January 6, 2008
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  • Ok, so there are a lot of people reporting different types of joint pain here, all of whom took chantix at some point prior to developing these symptoms. To summarize the experiences described on this forum, the length of time the drug was taken for varied between as little as 5 days and many weeks, and the time the joint pain appeared after onset of taking chantix also varied from a few days to almost a year. Given this large variation, I have great difficulty believing that these symptoms were the result of taking chantix alone. Everyone here has different medical histories and some are taking numerous other medications. If you want to 'prove' that chantix causes joint pain, you need a controlled and large scale trial in which otherwise healthy people take the drug. A forum full of anecdotal reports does not a scientific study make. JimK is so right. Are you reading this site because you are considering takink Chantix?? Better think hard if that's it cause I'm telling you, you DO NOT want to feel like I do. I have only read one post that was almost a year and that was recently and I have read EVERY post. It seems some figure out their symptoms are related to the drug sooner than others. I was very healthy,except my pack a day habbit. I get a physical every year, get my mammograms etc.etc. I was NOT taking any drugs other than calcium and multi vitamins when I started Chantix. It immediately worked wonderfully to curb my nicotine craving. One week exactly I woke up with the pain and it has only got worse since 9/4/07. I took it for 3 wks. before finding this site and knew I was not alone. I suspected highly it was Chantix because that was all I did different. I did quit smoking after 2 weeks, which is great. My dr. since has tried me on 2 different meds for "fibromyalgia" which is what they will call it when all else fails. They did nothing so I quit taking them. These people are in real pain and have been taken from, what use to be for most, a fairly healthy and "feel good" lifestyle. I can so understand why a lot of folks here started taking antidepressants. I am determined not to take these but when you cry yourself to sleep every nite cause you want so bad to be like you were before Chantix and you hurt like ***l, well lets just say it is pretty much inevitable that depression will be a factor. Wonder why Pfzier did not do a "controlled and large scale trial", which would mean, as Jim said, following people for a substantial length of time. No one here has to "prove" Chantix caused joint pain and many of the other symptoms here, it is listed in their not common side effects, or have you not read that.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • January 24, 2008
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  • Hi TRLT373, Your story sounds a lot like me. I am only taking 225mg of Lyrica and have vicodin for pain but I try hard not to take it unless I just have to. I was reluctant to take the drug because Pfizer made it. My sister started taking it for residual shingles pain and said it took about 2 months to start helping her. I had quit taking it after 3 wks cause it wasn't doing anything but started back when she told me how long it took for her. I have been taking it now since 12/21 but no relief yet. You and I will be getting tested about the same time,but I don't know what kind I will have yet. I am going to Mayo,as I'm sure you read in my other posts, on 2/4. My initial appt. is with rhuematology but hope to see neurologist too. I have not seen one yet and my daughter (RN but now in med school) says I need to because of the burning pain I have at nite. Please do let us know of your test results. I have so much shoulder pain in my left shoulder that I can't hardly raise my arm, sounds like rotator cuff. I got a cortisone shot last wed. but no help. I feel an MRI would be good to make sure something isn't deteriorating in there. The other one hurts but not so bad. Are you having an all over MRI and bone scan or just certain areas? I am sooo glad to hear your Dr. is concerned and believes you about the Chantix. So mant don't and think their patients are crazy. I have only had tons of blood work so far, all to be excellent. I went to a rheumatologist in Macon but was not impressed too much with her as she did no real exam. I hope these dr.'s will be really thorough, my dr. says they are great. I do hate you started back smoking, try to work on that. I would start back in a heartbeat if I knew I would feel like I use to. Take care and please stay with us.Deb in Georgia Hi Olean I hope everything works out for you. I too was precribed lyrica but chose not to it. I guess I am fortunate in the fact that my pain comes and goes, so I do not need to take drug that I am suppposed to take two times per day. I just feel that is what got me in this mess in the first place.I find the posts from individuals that say the pain is all in our heads quite interesting, because truth be told, until I experienced my recent medical issues I probably would have been one those people believing that the pain was all in "your head." The only difference would be that I would have not visited this website or if I did I would have kept my opinion to myself. Whether the pain is in my head or not is irrelevant, it's real to me and all the other individuals that have voiced their concerns here. The fact is, I do believe the pain is in my head to a degree, Chantix is a powerful drug that effects brain chemistry, and I believe the drug upset the balance of brain chemistry in my head. It is advertised as both a dopamine agonist and antagonist. I am sure it also has an effect on the serotonin levels that the brain produces. Deficiencies in serotonin and dopamine have been cited as possible causes for fibromyalgia. It's main ingredient is a tartrate salt. Now I am not a doctor but lithium is also a salt, although not tartrate salt, and has been linked to thyroid problems. I currently have what is defined as sub-clinical hyperthyroidism. That is, I produce excess levels of TSH with normal T-3 and T4 readings. According to the literature, sub-clinical hyperthyroidism sometimes resolves itself, but even if does, the symptoms I have experienced are not indicated in sub-clinical hyperthyroidism. I have also reviewed my medical records over the past three years, and while I have stated I enjoyed good health, a review of my records indicates that I may have been suffering from glucose intolerance that went undiagnosed. The thing is after taking Chantix, I started experiencing symptoms of advanced diabetes with numbers that indicate I should not be suffering from these symptoms. Again if you look at the adverse reactions for Chantix, diabetes is listed among them. So again I believe that although I may have beeen borderline the chemical changes to my brain may have induced the symptoms. Again I am not a doctor and it's only a guess. But since no one else can give me a reason for my symptoms my guess is as good as the so-called professionals. Six months ago I had no idea what any of the test results meant nor did I care, because I felt fine. I have learned a lot in the past 6 months. Additionally, just a thought, Chantix works on brain chemistry, and I remember that after taking it for 3 to 4 days I felt the effects. I was smoking like crazy and it was not the same as before I took the drug. Almost all the anti-depressants on the market say that they take a minimum of two weeks before the user feels the effects. The effects of tis drug were almost immediate. I just think they released this poison before thay had any real understanding of the possible consequences.Finally, my first visit was to a neurologist and all my tests came back normal. I think I may have went too soon. Anyway, enough about me, I hope your problems resolve themselves. I must commend you on your persistence in posting the FDA website for other posters to this site. GOOD LUCK on your tests. Jim K.
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  • I have been reading this forum for a while now with my wife. I started taking Chantix approx. September 27th 2007. At first all it did for me was give me an upset stomach. Sometime in November (the changes were very subtle) I started to hallucinate and have delusions which in turn caused me to tear my home apart causing approx. $20,000 to walls, furniture, floors etc.. I won’t bother getting into all the details of that but when my wife came home from church December 30th 2007 to find what I did, she called crisis services and I spent the next 12 days in the hospital and the doctors would not attribute this at her request to Chantix, instead the diagnosed me as Bi-Polar. It’s ironic that I am 48 and just now finding out I am Bi-Polar. This pill irritated me, agitated me and caused so many problems I can hardly believe it. Right now (I was released from the hospital January 12th) I am suffering from extreme joint pain and my back is killing me. I have 8 herniated discs as it is but the pain has never been this bad. I have had problems sleeping, I am fatigued all the time, there are still days I don’t feel like doing anything. This has affected us (my wife daughter and I) emotionally, physically, spiritually and finically. I wrote Pfizer and sent a CC to the FDA approx. January 17th 2008 and have not had any response back. I have looked for lawyers and no one will take cases that aren’t related to suicides. I guess hallucinating for almost 2 months, causing $20,000 damage to my home being hospitalized and still suffering from joint pain among other problems isn’t as bad as that lady that spilled a hot coffee on her self and sued and won. By the way, I never quit smoking so I can’t attribute this to nicotine withdrawal. I have been clean and sober for over 22 years so people that are having problems and Pfizer is saying is attributable to drinking while on Chantix doesn’t cut it in my case. Thank God for this forum as it keeps me up to date as to what others are going through. It’s hard to sum up the last 4 months but this is a start. Hi DavidC,Your story is very heartbreaking and disturbing. I can imagine what a helpless feeling you have. I know I feel that way and I am only dealing with the pain, you are dealing with much more. I am thankful I have not had the behavior disorder effects, however being in pain all the time will make you depresssed at times and ill. My husband is great and so patient and tries to be understanding and for that I am so thankful. It sounds like your wife is trying to understand as well. Don't give up on the attorneys and go to more doctors as well. Report this everywhere you can, as I'm sure you have. Maybe we should all email Bill O'reily and get him going on this. Your story would be perfect. I can't imagine being diagnosed bipolar at 48 unless you have had this behavior a long long time and never tried to seek help and that's not the way it sounds. There is more and more in the news about this drug and even though most of it is suicide, eventually they will hear us too. i was at Mayo Clinic last week for tests. They did x-rays, EMG,(not fun) MRI on the brain, EKG, blood work and thorough exam with a rheumatologist. I go back on 2/25 to see a neurologist and I guess get the results of my tests. The doctor I saw does not believe my symptoms are caused by Chantix. He says they have a huge smoking cessation dept. and he has not heard of any of these symptoms. No matter, I know it is as do all of us here. My primary care doctor believes it is and I am his only patient with these symptoms but his tests show nothing. Mayo is a VERY impressive place (4 hr. drive fo me) and I'm told they will keep searching til they find the problem. I just don't believe this will happen. In the end I think it will be fibromyalgia as a diagnosis. It is getting very expensive to see all these dr's but if just one can find something it will be worth it. I have been taking Lyrica since early Dec. and it is not helping so I am weaning myself off this. There is a link a few posts back about a news article, I forget which network, but reading it there was a place to email the doc or something to that affect. I emailed them to find ou when they will start listening to the symptoms on yhis site. I haven't heard back. I think I will go to all the news stations websites and email their doctors, can't hurt. Do keep posting as we ALL Care very much and hopefully one of us will find an answer. I thank God for this forum as well, it's nice to have someone to talk to who knows!JimK, hope all is well with you. Let's all just "hang in there". There has to be light at the end of the tunnel, it's just a ***l of a long tunnel.
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  • Hi DavidC,Your story is very heartbreaking and disturbing. I can imagine what a helpless feeling you have. I know I feel that way and I am only dealing with the pain, you are dealing with much more. I am thankful I have not had the behavior disorder effects, however being in pain all the time will make you depresssed at times and ill. My husband is great and so patient and tries to be understanding and for that I am so thankful. It sounds like your wife is trying to understand as well. Don't give up on the attorneys and go to more doctors as well. Report this everywhere you can, as I'm sure you have. Maybe we should all email Bill O'reily and get him going on this. Your story would be perfect. I can't imagine being diagnosed bipolar at 48 unless you have had this behavior a long long time and never tried to seek help and that's not the way it sounds. There is more and more in the news about this drug and even though most of it is suicide, eventually they will hear us too. i was at Mayo Clinic last week for tests. They did x-rays, EMG,(not fun) MRI on the brain, EKG, blood work and thorough exam with a rheumatologist. I go back on 2/25 to see a neurologist and I guess get the results of my tests. The doctor I saw does not believe my symptoms are caused by Chantix. He says they have a huge smoking cessation dept. and he has not heard of any of these symptoms. No matter, I know it is as do all of us here. My primary care doctor believes it is and I am his only patient with these symptoms but his tests show nothing. Mayo is a VERY impressive place (4 hr. drive fo me) and I'm told they will keep searching til they find the problem. I just don't believe this will happen. In the end I think it will be fibromyalgia as a diagnosis. It is getting very expensive to see all these dr's but if just one can find something it will be worth it. I have been taking Lyrica since early Dec. and it is not helping so I am weaning myself off this. There is a link a few posts back about a news article, I forget which network, but reading it there was a place to email the doc or something to that affect. I emailed them to find ou when they will start listening to the symptoms on yhis site. I haven't heard back. I think I will go to all the news stations websites and email their doctors, can't hurt. Do keep posting as we ALL Care very much and hopefully one of us will find an answer. I thank God for this forum as well, it's nice to have someone to talk to who knows!JimK, hope all is well with you. Let's all just "hang in there". There has to be light at the end of the tunnel, it's just a ***l of a long tunnel. Hi Olean, Thanks for your post. I feel like I could write a book on what this drug has done to me. When I try to sum it up in a post on here it is very difficult because there is so much left out but I do believe the gist of it has been conveyed. I have gone through many stages over the last few months and have been able to overcome the emotional aspect of most of it but there are still some lingering effects. As of today it seems like the joint pain, my sleeping and depression from all of this is where I am at currently. I am finally able to sleep through the night (5-7 hours) even though it is not a deep sleep but after I am up for about 4 or 5 hours I become fatigued, listless and have to take a nap or I feel depression setting in. After a 1 or 2 hour nap I am good for another 3 or 4 hours and this has been going on for the last few weeks. This is not my normal sleeping patterns. I am currently only taking Hydrocodone (which I have been taking for my back for the last 6 or 7 years, no other medications. I know this is not affecting my sleep or anything else as these side effects were not present for the 1st 6 years I took them (2 pills, 500 MG a day). I get the feeling like Pfizer will get to ignore me until this is forgotten and that really bothers me. How they can put a drug on the market that can do this and not be held responsible immediately is almost beyond my comprehension. This is and has impacted our lives in a very negative way but I have to say I am (as is my wife) very happy we have this forum to come to. We know we are not alone and that helps tremendously. Knowledge is power and I get the feeling there is a lot of knowledge shared about Chantix and the side effects right here in this one thread. We can do together what we can’t do alone. I don’t know how long these feelings of pain, depression and being tired can go on but the longer I feel this way the more I wonder could these be permanent side effects. I guess only time will tell.
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  • It's only a theory I have but I believe that for some people Chantix permanently affects the dopamine and serotonin levels in the brain. Deficiencies in these areas have been attributed to fibromyalgia, you know the disease the medical professions say you have when they are unable to determine the cause of your pain. There is still a controversy as to whether fibromyalgia is real. I am one of those individuals that believed it only existed in a person's mind. But when you have individuals that have never complained of aches and pains in their lives and all of a sudden they start experiencing aches and pains and the only thing they have in common is their usage of Chantix my belief has changed. I know that some underlying condition has been missed. The literature on Chantix states that it binds to the nicotinic receptors and bonds partially to the 5FT3 receptor. The 5HT3 receptor, from what I have read, is the pleasure receptor in the brain. I also believe that the drug may bind permanently to this receptor therefore reducing an individual's ability to derive pleasure. Since I am not a doctor or even in the medical profession I know my theories have about as much medical weight as those of "Larry the Cable Guy" but I am entitled to my opinion. On another note, even if a Class Action Suit is commenced against Pfizer, I would not expect any great return on this. The only people who actually profit from these suits are the attorneys. The recent settlement by Merck is indicative of a changing trend in class action lawsuits and the strategies that the pharmaceutical companies will employ in future medical suits. Merck (vioxx) agreed to pay 4.5 Billion dollars (approximately 120K per person before fees) and the law firm recommends settlement. Even though this sounds like a lot of money it was originally believed that Merck would have to pay out over 25 billion dollars. If you are part of the class action lawsuit you can opt out of the agreement and pursue the case individually. The drug companies have been more successful on these individual cases even though the largest individual award was over 250 million dollars. The court reduced that amount to 26 million dollars in accordance with the Texas cap laws. Although I had originally read that Merck had won all of the individual lawsuits I have found that this was not true, but they have won enough of the individual suits for it justify, at least in their minds, that this is the way to go. Vioxx had over 20 million users and the number of individuals that were allegedly harmed was under 200,000. This works out to approximately 1 tenth of 1 percent of the users. The reason I brought up the Vioxx settlement was not so much about the money agreed upon or the limited amount of affected individuals but to point out that the reason there was a suit in first place is because it was determined that Merck deliberately withheld negative information about the drug from the public. That was the major basis for the lawsuit. The FDA has actually allowed Merck to sell Vioxx again but Merck chose not to.My point being is the game is becoming increasingly rigged in favor of the large companies. So I would not hold out too much hope for any satisfaction from a Class Action lawsuit. What needs to be done is to demand more accountability from our government. The FDA is supposed to protect the interests of the public not the interests of the corporations. I suggest that anyone that has not done so, contact the FDA, they have an online form that you can submit. I must admit this form is not very user friendly and asks for a lot of medical information. You may need your doctor's help in filling it out or at the least copies of all your medical records. It is time consuming and discouraging, which I believe is the FDA's intent. I also recommend that you contact your Federal representatives. JimK
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  • Hey everyone,I have no helpful news from my Mayo visit. I saw a neurologist first and he said my brain MRI showed some white spots that could be indicative of hardening of the arteries and possibly MS. He was to consult with the rheumatologist and then he, the rhemo, would talk more to me at that appt. time. I saw the neuro at 9a and the rheumo at 3p. The rheumatologist said it was not MS because I had no other symptoms. I couldn't argue because I didn't know. They are sending me all my records and I can review them with my doctor. All my tests were normal they said. They said there is no way for them to say it is Chantix because there is no test to prove that and then my results are normal. I will not give up but frankly am done with doctors except my family dr. He is a great internal med. dr. and is very concerned yet he is at his witts end as to what to do for me. I see him in March. Oh yes, they did, of course, say they would just have to call it "fibromyalgia" Bull!! He gave me ultram and said good luck. Of course I did not want anything bad to be wrong but was so hoping they knew how to stop this pain. I haven't been this depressed yet but I will Not let it win. I called my doctor to see if I can come in and get my vitamin D level checked, waiting on his call back. I would like to just start taking extra but guess I better not. Wish I had some good news to help everyone but looks like we all just need to keep looking, hoping, and praying.
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  • Sorry if this becomes lengthy but I have been suffering from numerous side affects for a year now. I am 32 yrs.old, have 4 children, and was working in construction (remodeling, roofing, landscaping,etc). I started the chantix in the beginning of March 2007 and my life has been ***l ever since. I only took the drug for 1 month before the side effects became unbearable. The first week I was on it, I went back to the dr. because I was breaking out in hives and having difficulty sleeping. The dr. told me to take benadryl during the night and loratidine during the day, regardless of the fact that I was obviously allergic. She told me that the benefits of quitting smoking would out weigh the short term side effects. After I quit smoking (within a week) and continuing on for another 2 weeks, I went back to the dr. with severe anxiety, depression, bleeding gums, puss pockets in my throat, stomach problems, sores on my lips and in my mouth, and was diagnosed with strep throat. The strep initially went away after a course of antibiotics but the puss pockets soon returned,which baffled the ER, and was diagnosed with some kind of virus that lasted 4 months. I stopped taking the chantix 1 month after starting due to the side effects I was having. Within a week or 2 after stopping the chantix, I started with severe anxiety, suicidal depression, psychotic outbreaks (screaming, yelling, erratic behavior, I could actually feel myself losing my mind), rapid heart rate, breathing problems, uncontrollable upper body twitching (sometimes slobbered on myself), sensation of being startled all the time, liver problems, hearing and vision problems, awful burning pain in my neck and shoulders, and strange other symptoms. I, of course, went back to the dr. who did a CAT scan and blood work. Nothing found in the CAT scan but I did have an abnormal ANA level and billiruben. Since then, which all took place within 2 months, I have seen a psychiatrist who diagnosed me with bipolar disorder (which I never had a problem with before) and gave me Cymbalta. I only took one pill and ended up with serotonin syndrome and had to immediately stop use. I have also seen rheumatology, endocrinology, gastroenterology, neurology, and made a few trips to the ER. I switched family doctors because after 3 months of quitting smoking and stopping the Chantix, my doctor told me I needed to go smoke a cigarette. Rheumatology and neurology both diagnosed me with Fibromyalgia and told me that it was coincidental that this all started when I began taking Chantix. I did have 1 episode where I still swear I had a heart attack. I was laying in bed and my heart started beating so hard and fast I could feel it in my neck, ears and head. I started having a hard time breathing and I became overwhelmed with this feeling that I was dying right then and there. I prayed and prayed and then I had this hot, sharp pain on the left side of my chest and down my arm. I started fading in and out of blackness which horrified me so badly that I jumped out of bed and landed on the floor. It happened twice within a matter of minutes and I couldn't get myself to a phone to call 911. After the episode, I went to sleep and consulted my dr. about it who chalked it up to a panic attack. I spent 7 months locking myself in my bedroom for fear of what I might do to myself or my family due to psychotic episodes. It became so bad that my 11 year old daughter begged me to start smoking again because she couldn't stand seeing me like that anymore. It's been a year now, and most of the anxiety, depression, and psychosis has gone away. I still suffer from severe neck, shoulder, back and arm pain, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, dull to severe pain throughout my body, confusion, blurred vision, hearing problems, and, on occasion, heart and breathing problems. I have gone from being a very healthy, hardworking mommy to barely being able to get out of bed. I have to take 4 motrin to do laundry and dishes some days and darvaset to sleep. I unfortunately started smoking again after 7 months and instead of it being something I'm just addicted to and enjoy, it has become part of therapy to tolerate the constant burning pain. I am so angry and disappointed because I don't know how to explain any of this to my family, not even my husband. And my children, well, they miss their mom and don't understand why I wasn't healthier, happier, and more energetic when I quit. I barely work now, 1 day of work and about 3 days down with lots of pain meds. and hot baths. Now I'm depressed and stressed trying figure out how we're going to pay the bills. Please let me know if there is anything I can do about this or anyone that can help me!!! brunslori@aol.com
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  • Hey everyone,I have no helpful news from my Mayo visit. I saw a neurologist first and he said my brain MRI showed some white spots that could be indicative of hardening of the arteries and possibly MS. He was to consult with the rheumatologist and then he, the rhemo, would talk more to me at that appt. time. I saw the neuro at 9a and the rheumo at 3p. The rheumatologist said it was not MS because I had no other symptoms. I couldn't argue because I didn't know. They are sending me all my records and I can review them with my doctor. All my tests were normal they said. They said there is no way for them to say it is Chantix because there is no test to prove that and then my results are normal. I will not give up but frankly am done with doctors except my family dr. He is a great internal med. dr. and is very concerned yet he is at his witts end as to what to do for me. I see him in March. Oh yes, they did, of course, say they would just have to call it "fibromyalgia" Bull!! He gave me ultram and said good luck. Of course I did not want anything bad to be wrong but was so hoping they knew how to stop this pain. I haven't been this depressed yet but I will Not let it win. I called my doctor to see if I can come in and get my vitamin D level checked, waiting on his call back. I would like to just start taking extra but guess I better not. Wish I had some good news to help everyone but looks like we all just need to keep looking, hoping, and praying. Hi Olean I am sorry to heat that your visit to the Mayo CLonic did not bear any positive results. However, the fact that you may have MS was totally downplayed. They said you do not have any other symptoms but I have read your previous posts and you describe burning sensations. Although your description from what I read was general,burning in the hands and feet are definitely symptoms of MS. These symtoms as well as well as muscle aches particularly in the hips, buttocks, and Hamstrings are also signs of MS. In addition was your vision checked, while partial blindness is a sign of MS, blurred vision also fits that category. I went on one of the sites that has tracked the complaints about Chantix and there have been six confirmed cases of MS attributed to the use of Chantix. Pfizer and more importantly the FDA must be held accountable for allowing and approving the use of this drug. I fully intend to continue to investigate and if my investigation yields proof that the individual reponsible for the approval of this drug is an anti-smoking zealot I want to see criminal changes brought against this individual. Particularly, if the individual allowed that approval outside the parameters of FDA protocols. I intend to file a Freedom of Information Request demanding all informatin relative to the approval of Chantix. I know I am probably ******g in the wind because as a group smokers are on the bottom of the feeding chain. But this Joseph Mengele mindset must stop once and for all, that is let's try anything on those least politically capable of making an issue out out of the smoking "public hazard" that is ruining our country.As I have written, I have contacted my congressman and fully expect that inquiry to go nowhere but it's a start. What we need is more individuals to inundate their congressional representative with the facts about their particular case. The main question that needs to asked is why the fast track aproval? Finally, the answer to getting results lie not in attacking a faceless bureacracy but in identifying those individuals directly responsible for the approval of Chantix. This was an effective strategy employed by the Scientologists in getting the IRS to lay off their exemption and it will work if properly employed against the FDA. If and when I identify those individuals directly involved in the aproval of Chantix I wll post their names and if possible any affiliation they may have with the anti-smoking lobby. One sad note to add and that is the Supreme Court will be considering a case that will limit an individual's right for redress at the court level for any drug that has been approved by the FDA. The case will eliminate an individuals right to sue. I am not normally a betting man but it is my guess that the ruling will come down on the side of the pharmaceautical industry. This same Supreme Court has already ruled that even if fraud is involved in a corporations application for FDA approval an individuals right to sue is limited.
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  • Sorry if this becomes lengthy but I have been suffering from numerous side affects for a year now. I am 32 yrs.old, have 4 children, and was working in construction (remodeling, roofing, landscaping,etc). I started the chantix in the beginning of March 2007 and my life has been ***l ever since. I only took the drug for 1 month before the side effects became unbearable. The first week I was on it, I went back to the dr. because I was breaking out in hives and having difficulty sleeping. The dr. told me to take benadryl during the night and loratidine during the day, regardless of the fact that I was obviously allergic. She told me that the benefits of quitting smoking would out weigh the short term side effects. After I quit smoking (within a week) and continuing on for another 2 weeks, I went back to the dr. with severe anxiety, depression, bleeding gums, puss pockets in my throat, stomach problems, sores on my lips and in my mouth, and was diagnosed with strep throat. The strep initially went away after a course of antibiotics but the puss pockets soon returned,which baffled the ER, and was diagnosed with some kind of virus that lasted 4 months. I stopped taking the chantix 1 month after starting due to the side effects I was having. Within a week or 2 after stopping the chantix, I started with severe anxiety, suicidal depression, psychotic outbreaks (screaming, yelling, erratic behavior, I could actually feel myself losing my mind), rapid heart rate, breathing problems, uncontrollable upper body twitching (sometimes slobbered on myself), sensation of being startled all the time, liver problems, hearing and vision problems, awful burning pain in my neck and shoulders, and strange other symptoms. I, of course, went back to the dr. who did a CAT scan and blood work. Nothing found in the CAT scan but I did have an abnormal ANA level and billiruben. Since then, which all took place within 2 months, I have seen a psychiatrist who diagnosed me with bipolar disorder (which I never had a problem with before) and gave me Cymbalta. I only took one pill and ended up with serotonin syndrome and had to immediately stop use. I have also seen rheumatology, endocrinology, gastroenterology, neurology, and made a few trips to the ER. I switched family doctors because after 3 months of quitting smoking and stopping the Chantix, my doctor told me I needed to go smoke a cigarette. Rheumatology and neurology both diagnosed me with Fibromyalgia and told me that it was coincidental that this all started when I began taking Chantix. I did have 1 episode where I still swear I had a heart attack. I was laying in bed and my heart started beating so hard and fast I could feel it in my neck, ears and head. I started having a hard time breathing and I became overwhelmed with this feeling that I was dying right then and there. I prayed and prayed and then I had this hot, sharp pain on the left side of my chest and down my arm. I started fading in and out of blackness which horrified me so badly that I jumped out of bed and landed on the floor. It happened twice within a matter of minutes and I couldn't get myself to a phone to call 911. After the episode, I went to sleep and consulted my dr. about it who chalked it up to a panic attack. I spent 7 months locking myself in my bedroom for fear of what I might do to myself or my family due to psychotic episodes. It became so bad that my 11 year old daughter begged me to start smoking again because she couldn't stand seeing me like that anymore. It's been a year now, and most of the anxiety, depression, and psychosis has gone away. I still suffer from severe neck, shoulder, back and arm pain, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, dull to severe pain throughout my body, confusion, blurred vision, hearing problems, and, on occasion, heart and breathing problems. I have gone from being a very healthy, hardworking mommy to barely being able to get out of bed. I have to take 4 motrin to do laundry and dishes some days and darvaset to sleep. I unfortunately started smoking again after 7 months and instead of it being something I'm just addicted to and enjoy, it has become part of therapy to tolerate the constant burning pain. I am so angry and disappointed because I don't know how to explain any of this to my family, not even my husband. And my children, well, they miss their mom and don't understand why I wasn't healthier, happier, and more energetic when I quit. I barely work now, 1 day of work and about 3 days down with lots of pain meds. and hot baths. Now I'm depressed and stressed trying figure out how we're going to pay the bills. Please let me know if there is anything I can do about this or anyone that can help me!!! brunslori@aol.com Hi Tinkerbell,My gosh you HAVE been through ***l. If any of us here find help we will surely All know. JimK will probably be first as he is on a roll and he is some kinda *****d. We all are and we all need to do what Jim is suggesting and anything else we can think of. Is your 11 yr.old the oldest? Maybe you should pick out some of the posts similar to yours and let her read them. I let my husband know of this site and I think after he read some of the posts he understood a little more. It's hard for me to talk about it except for here because I get too upset and can't even talk. As you can see by my posts, I am here a lot. I am thankful that I have not had the eratic behavior or suicidal thoughts. i get cranky and a little mean sometimes ans snap at people I Love. I usually know when I feel that way and warn them ahead of time, a pre apology if you will.I do hate you started back smoking. I did quit but would start again if it would take my pain away. I took Chantix for 3 weeks when my symptoms started and took the last one 9/23/07. All my tests have been normal as well. My pain never goes away but is better some days than others. Right now it has been at its worst for several days. I stopped taking Lyrica because I thought it did nothing but maybe it did ease the pain some. My neck, shoulders, knees and hands are the worst. The last rheumatologist I went to gave me ultram to take 3 x's a day to help the pain but I don't think it helps and it makes me itch. I am going to get 2nd oppinions and you should too. I don't believe the bipolar crap and I'm sure you don't either. Please keep coming to this site, it is the best one out there, and we will find help.
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