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Noisy joints - why?

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  • Posted By: Anonymous
  • July 26, 2006
  • 04:25 PM

subject: I want to know the reason for the loud poping joints. Perhaps knowing that will get me one step closer to knowing what's wrong with me. Does anyone know about periodically cracking joints.

I have been experiencing strange symptoms for about 2 years now. Mainly my complaints are GI - digestion, low energy related but the rest of my body seems effected too: skin, energy, memory, apathy (makes sense i supose). Doctors / tests can't find anything wrong but one of the scariest symptoms that comes and goes is that all my joints crack and pop loudly when things are 'bad' - when they clear up, as they periodically do - my joints quiet down. When things are 'bad' everything hurts and i supose the cracking joints are acompanied by pain.

I want to know the reason for the loud poping joints. Perhaps knowing that will get me one step closer to knowing what's wrong with me.

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  • Air - no joke asked two different Drs and they both said its a build up of air, and that when forcing your joints it pressures the air out!!!! sounds far to sensible really....
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  • Raymond Brodeur in the Ergonomics Research Laboratory at Michigan State University responds:To understand what happens when you "crack" your knuckles, or any other joint, first you need a little background about the nature of the joints of the body. The type of joints that you can most easily "pop" or "crack" are the diarthrodial joints. These are your most typical joints. They consist of two bones that contact each other at their cartilage surfaces; the cartilage surfaces are surrounded by a joint capsule. Inside the joint capsule is a lubricant, known as synovial fluid, which also serves as a source of nutrients for the cells that maintain the joint cartilage. In addition, the synovial fluid contains dissolved gases, including oxygen, nitrogen and carbon dioxideThe easiest joints to pop are the ones in your fingers (the interphalangeal and the metacarpophalangeal joints). As the joint capsule stretches, its expansion is limited by a number of factors. When small forces are applied to the joint, one factor that limits the motion is the volume of the joint. That volume is set by the amount of synovial fluid contained in the joint. The synovial fluid cannot expand unless the pressure inside the capsule drops to a point at which the dissolved gases can escape the solution; when the gases come out of solution, they increase the volume and hence the mobility of the joint.The cracking or popping sound is thought to be caused by the gases rapidly coming out of solution, allowing the capsule to stretch a little further. The stretching of the joint is soon thereafter limited by the length of the capsule. If you take an x-ray of the joint after cracking, you can see a gas bubble inside the joint. This gas increases the joint volume by 15 to 20 percent; it consists mostly (about 80 percent) of carbon dioxide. The joint cannot be cracked again until the gases have dissolved back into the synovial fluid, which explains why you cannot crack the same knuckle repeatedly.But how can releasing such a small quantity of gas cause so much noise? There is no good answer for this question. Researchers have estimated the energy levels of the sound by using accelerometers to measure the vibrations caused during joint popping. The amounts of energy involved are very small, on the order of 0.1 milli-joule per cubic millimeter. Studies have also shown that there are two sound peaks during knuckle cracking, but the causes of these peaks are unknown. It is likely that the first sound is related to the gas dissolving out of solution, whereas the second sound is caused by the capsule reaching its length limit.A common, related question is, Does popping a joint cause any damage? There are actually few scientific data available on this topic. One study found no correlation between knuckle cracking and osteoarthritis in the finger joints. Another study, however, showed that repetitive knuckle cracking may affect the soft tissue surrounding the joint. Also, the habit tends to cause an increase in hand swelling and a decrease in the grip strength of the hand.Another source of popping and cracking sounds is the tendons and ligaments near the joint. Tendons must cross at least one joint in order to cause motion. But when a joint moves, the tendon's position with respect to the joint is forced to change. It is not uncommon for a tendon to shift to a slightly different position, followed by a sudden snap as the tendon returns to its original location with respect to the joint. These noises are often heard in the knee and ankle joints when standing up from a seated position or when walking up or down the stairs. However what it does not state there is if it hurts and not just a reaction tothe noise when you pop your joints then there is something wrong.
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  • hi ...for ur reply..look i had the same symptoms ur describing.....i was diagnosed with a thyroid malfunction...aside for the cracking joints..all the other symptoms indicate a thyroid disorder..even i have cracking joints...i still dont know if its because of the thyroid disorder..was looking for reasons when i stumbled upon ur post...but we both have the same symptoms..all of them..might be usefull to get a thyroid test..:-)
    Anonymous 42,789 Replies
    • September 27, 2007
    • 03:11 PM
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  • hi ...for ur reply..look i had the same symptoms ur describing.....i was diagnosed with a thyroid malfunction...aside for the cracking joints..all the other symptoms indicate a thyroid disorder..even i have cracking joints...i still dont know if its because of the thyroid disorder..was looking for reasons when i stumbled upon ur post...but we both have the same symptoms..all of them..might be usefull to get a thyroid test..:-)I was daignosed with Hashimotos Hypothyroidism and since taking Synthroid and getting acupuncture specific to thyroid I have noticed my knuckles need cracking more often. I don't know if there is a correlation but i am just beginning to research any connection.
    Anonymous 42,789 Replies
    • October 5, 2007
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  • Hey I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's too. I just looked up noisey joints because I have been popping my joints alot more lately. I think that it should be included in the symptoms for Hypothyroidism.
    Anonymous 42,789 Replies
    • December 7, 2007
    • 11:28 PM
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  • subject: I want to know the reason for the loud poping joints. Perhaps knowing that will get me one step closer to knowing what's wrong with me. Does anyone know about periodically cracking joints.I have been experiencing strange symptoms for about 2 years now. Mainly my complaints are GI - digestion, low energy related but the rest of my body seems effected too: skin, energy, memory, apathy (makes sense i supose). Doctors / tests can't find anything wrong but one of the scariest symptoms that comes and goes is that all my joints crack and pop loudly when things are 'bad' - when they clear up, as they periodically do - my joints quiet down. When things are 'bad' everything hurts and i supose the cracking joints are acompanied by pain. I want to know the reason for the loud poping joints. Perhaps knowing that will get me one step closer to knowing what's wrong with me.I have had this all my life and NO doctor has ever been able to answer what is going on... I just live with it. I am having a "bad" spell right now. My muscles all ache and I am exhausted and all of my joints crack more than ever. I have to crack my elbows 10 times a day because my arms get stiff my back is seized up and cracks whenever I bend over, my neck cracks when I turn my head and my feet are stiffed and tired. I have absolutely no idea and I just get told that some people have noisy joints. But it isn't the same all the time... I go through definite "bad" spells where everything is much worse and when it is my joints are also worse...If anyone has any tips that'd be great!!
    Anonymous 42,789 Replies
    • August 11, 2010
    • 08:16 PM
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  • Hello, it's VERY nice to meet someone other than me that has had this all his life. :) I have been looking for an answer to this question for a very long time. Have you done something special before it gets worse? Maybe stressed? Did you change diet? Do you eat about the same things every day? Do you have any other signs of histamine excess? I have had skin writing for as long as i can remember, which is a kind of hives, and also cracking joints for just as long. I also have had acne since i was a kid. I remember when i was little, i had to crack my back all the time cus it got stuck and hurted. As i got older the cracking moved to my ancles and wrists so thats where most of my cracking is today. I blame the backpack i used as a kid for the back cracking and the computer i am using today for the wrists cracking. As i have found out, the cracking for me comes from eating foods that are high in histamine. Some people have problems breaking down histamine and a wrong gut flora can make things worse or even cause the problem. Histamine distributes fluid in our bodies so it makes sense that it makes us crack. Dehydration also increases histamine levels so make sure you drink plenty of water. Foods rich in histamine are yeast, fermented things, vinager, msg, mushrooms, many grains and also milk. I also react to fish that has been fed grains and to high levels of tomatoes, like pureed tomatoes, and also to seaweed. A woman has written a book in my language about how her chrons inflammation disappears when she stops eating these foods. Her sister stopped eating these things too and her joints stopped cracking then. I do believe that a bad intestinal flora can cause this problem, so i am incorporating wheat bran and home made yoghurt in my daily routine. Wheat and oat bran makes the good bifidobacteria grow. I'll let you know if the cracking lessens. I also have a friend with hashimoto's who once was on the wrong dose thyroid hormones. Her joints started cracking, but when she went on my diet, her joints stopped cracking. It seems to be a quite common side effect to have cracking joints on the wrong thyroid hormone dose. Everytime she ate the wrong things they started cracking again. Hashimoto's is linked to hyaluron which lubricates our joints and tendons. Maybe hyaluron is linked to histamine or maybe hashimoto's is linked to histamine in some other way, i don't know. Stress makes bad bacteria grow and destroys our good flora.. were you breast fed as a kid? I wasn't and i think that can be why i have had this problem for so long. I didn't need a stressful situation to destroy my good flora, it just wasn't there to begin with. For me, the cracking starts in one hour after eating the wrong things and it keeps cracking for 3 days if i stick to the diet. It seems to be different for different people. DONT::: don't go on my diet! Or you can go on it for a while to try, but It just makes the body crack much more when you happen to eat the wrong things. I was in much more pain and my joints cracked much more when i was on the diet, since it reacts more to the bad things when i don't eat them all the time, and it is difficult not to eat anything wrong. Oh yeah i also react to everything that is antifungal, since it kills intestinal yeast, releasing more histamine. DO::: Try to fix the intestinal flora. I really do believe that this can be the key. And make sure you drink enough water. Best of luck to you!
    Angellore 13 Replies
    • August 12, 2010
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  • Hi, I am a physical therapist. Crepitus or popping/cracking/snapping of joints is a common issue. The good news is that it is generally nothing to worry about. The noises you hear can be realted to tendons sliding over bone, irregularity of bony surfaces, or release of joint pressure. The only thing to be concerned about is if you have pain when the joint is making noise. I do not believe that your joint noises are directly related to your other symptoms. Just because both began at about the same time does not mean they are related. Hope this helps. ~JTrempe PT, ATChttp://www.joint-pain-solutions.com
    JTrempe 101 Replies
    • August 17, 2010
    • 01:34 PM
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  • Oh and by the way, i want to give you two words.. look up histaminosis and histadelia.
    Angellore 13 Replies
    • August 19, 2010
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  • Oh and by the way, i want to give you two words.. look up histaminosis and histadelia.The beginning symptom for me was an injured or overstressed wrist (have no idea how it happened and certainly don't remember any one particular event) last summer. I found relief by wearing a carpal tunnel brace for 6-8 weeks until it healed. Everything seemed fine for a while. I was concerned and thought the whole injury quite odd, but it healed and I moved on. 3-4 months ago, I started noticing joint "cracking." Very loud cracking of joints in my shoulders, wrists and ankles. Especially prevalent in the morning. Joint cracking increased 2-3 weeks ago and seemed to progress to elbows, forearms and just yesterday, my knees. I have been beyond stressed with the entire series of seemingly downhill slide that my body seems to be on. I eat very healthy compared to the standard American diet and buy organic whenever possible. My worst crutch would be coffee with honey & creamer, possibly not drinking enough water and frequently missing breakfast.Additionally, I was diagnosed with a borderline low thyroid a year or two ago. My physician wanted to put me on hormone therapy, but I didn't like the idea of going on medication for the rest of my life or putting a synthetic hormone into my body when I might have been going through a normal process. I was 41 and had within that same year, weaned my youngest daughter from breastfeeding (I just thought it was my body bouncing back from the process).I am interested in the entire histamine relation. I frequently cook with portabello mushrooms, tomatoes, and many stir-fry vegetables.Additionally, the massive flare-up and progression in "cracking" happened during a periodic cycle, along with a yeast infection and what I would consider a dry skin flare-up (abdomen, underarms). Since I know that a yeast infection is an imbalance in the body, the histamine notice and flora balance of the gut really seems to be a possible correlation. One of the other posters noted a "cycle" or ups and downs. I have had 2-3 other flare-ups of the skin condition over the past 10 years and am wondering if this was all a telltale sign that I overlooked.I am thinking of having my thyroid levels tested again and visiting the physician, but am worried that I will be diagnosed with a permanent, debilitating disease.Any thoughts or advice is greatly appreciated.
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    • February 27, 2011
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  • Have you had testosterone checked?I have had all your symptoms and after years of visiting the doctor I eventually visited a specialist in testosterone deficiency and started treatment for low testosterone.After a week I could feel a lot better. Check out low testosterone on the web to see if your symptoms match.All the best.Colm
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  • I am a massage therapist and ever since I started working (which was about a year ago) I have had progressively louder joints -especially in my hands, wrists, shoulders, knees. I know that nothing is wrong but its just plain annoying! Especially when my hands/wrists crack right in a client's ear. What I would like to know is if anyone has a tip on what I can do to prevent it from happening.
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  • I do believe that for me the cracking happens in joints that i have currently used. For example - when i was in school it was in my back and jaws (i wore a backpack and tensed my jaws) and later it moved to my wrists (sitting with the computer) and now it is mostly in one of my ankles with which i walk a bit strangely.My thought as for now is that these joints that we use more than others get repaired and immune cells gather for the repairing. when these immune cells are exposed to histamine they release their own histamine content, affecting the hyaluron in the joint, aka how much fluid is in the joint. maybe our immune cells are overactive and release too much? there is also a possibility that the cell walls of the immune cells are a bit weak and pop too easily. this can be helped with i think it was quercitin. so anyways.. the people who dont break down histamine will leak histamine from their gut into these parts and get cracking joints everywhere where these immune cells happen to be, whenever they eat histamine rich / histamine triggering foods. for example, people with migraine have lots of these immune cells in their head, and after eating histamine rich foods they get migraine. I think this is what happens in the skin, too for some people with urtikaria?About degydration, it increases histamine levels and then the histamine pulls water out of the body into the organs, so the body gets dried up. AppleByDesign, did you read this article?http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/candidayeast.htm
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  • did you ever found what was wrong with you? I'm starting to have the same symptoms
    venezuela84 1 Replies
    • December 17, 2011
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  • Anyone having issues with cracking / popping joints should try eliminating wheat for a week. I eliminated wheat because I was trying to follow the Primal Blueprint diet, not because of any digestive or other symptoms. I was completely surprised to notice that my knuckles, ankles and other joints that needed to crack fairly regularly, completely stopped after just a few days of eliminating wheat! Also, I used to have some muscle soreness for the first 10-20 minutes after waking up in the morning. This also went away completely within a few days of eliminating wheat. I often cheat on the weekend (e.g. homemade sourdough pizza) and if I eat enough wheat, my popping joints will come back for a day or two after the cheating, then go away again as long as I stay off the wheat. (I have to eat a lot of wheat for the muscle soreness to return though -- only noticed it at Christmas time with all the baking around.) Note that wheat also plays a role in Hashimoto's and all autoimmune conditions, including arthritis, so it makes sense to see those in conjunction with popping joints. I think the popping joints are an early warning sign. Good resources to read on this include: - http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-grains-are-unhealthy/ - http://chriskresser.com/9-steps-to-perfect-health-1-dont-eat-toxins - and the books "The Primal Blueprint" and "The Paleo Solution". Cheers Mike
    artellan 1 Replies
    • January 16, 2012
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  • subject: I want to know the reason for the loud poping joints. Perhaps knowing that will get me one step closer to knowing what's wrong with me. Does anyone know about periodically cracking joints.I have been experiencing strange symptoms for about 2 years now. Mainly my complaints are GI - digestion, low energy related but the rest of my body seems effected too: skin, energy, memory, apathy (makes sense i supose). Doctors / tests can't find anything wrong but one of the scariest symptoms that comes and goes is that all my joints crack and pop loudly when things are 'bad' - when they clear up, as they periodically do - my joints quiet down. When things are 'bad' everything hurts and i supose the cracking joints are acompanied by pain. I want to know the reason for the loud poping joints. Perhaps knowing that will get me one step closer to knowing what's wrong with me. You might check into Ehlers Danlos. It is rare, but the whole constellation of symptoms seems like it might fit, especially if your joints are (or have been previously) very flexible.
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