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everyone thinks it's driving anxiety but..

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  • Posted By: Anonymous
  • May 23, 2008
  • 09:10 PM

Please help, I am desperate. I have not driven since January. Every time I try to get behind the wheel and drive (or am a passenger in the car) I get this weird sensation, like my brain can't keep up with my eyes. I feel slightly nauseous and shaky. Mostly though, it's like my eyes aren't seeing things right-- like they can't take in all the information. It seems surreal, and like everything is passing by the window too quickly. I also feel almost like I could lose consciousness at any moment (even though I never have). I have been on anti-depressant/anti-anxiety drugs, beta blockers, had an EKG, blood sugar, blood pressure, been tested for vertigo, and saw a psychologist who tried to do gradual baby steps with me. I do NOT have anxious thoughts though. I am not thinking about how dangerous the car is or that something bad is going to happen. It's just this horrible physical feeling. I don't know what else to do but not being able to drive is really wearing on me.

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  • there are some rare eye conditions that seems to cause problems with vision...perhpas you have one of them...they require special glasses with special lenses....search around on the internet, check the eye forum and talk to a really good ophthalmologist...also may want to have an MRI see a neurologist...I think it is physical rather than psychological....Joan
    Joan5555 316 Replies Flag this Response
  • I did go to an eye specialist (sorry, forgot to mention that one!) They said my eyes do not work together well at all. They are always fighting to go out. They gave me special lenses that have prisms in them, which I wear all the time now. I also went to a neurologist and he basically blew me off and said he has no idea. I wish I knew for certain if it were anxiety or not, then I could pursue other avenues once I knew. People say anxiety can cause these weird physical reactions, yet, would I feel nervous if it were anxiety?
    Anonymous 42,789 Replies Flag this Response
  • Im familiar with that problem but unfortunately I cant remember what it's called. It's not an anxiety issue thou... im not saying you have the following for you havent.. but that symptom is a symptom that many with chronic fatigue sydrome have (and one i used to get myself). ummm if no one can give you the actual name for the problem.. maybe try going into one of the big online CFS communities eg www.immunesupport.com and share that symptom and just ask them what that condition is actually called. If its what im thinking it is.. you would get the same sensation if you are standing on the roadside and a bike passes you quickly close.. or when a close truck goes past fast (or maybe you havent been in situations like that). I've ended up falling due to it.. due to what the fast movement past does to my head. It's very unnerving... but being in a car and having things moving past fast, its what usually sets the feeling off. and yeah.. the issue isnt vertigo.. but is a condition a bit like it thou. (if im feeling up to it later.. i may try to find out the name of the condition for you) it's some kind of perception problem which can affect balance etc. The problem can be an indication that you have another problem causing it ..something neuro or something affecting brain etc etc
    taniaaust1 2,267 Replies Flag this Response
  • If you could look up the name of it I would be forever grateful.
    Anonymous 42,789 Replies Flag this Response
  • . People say anxiety can cause these weird physical reactions, yet, would I feel nervous if it were anxiety? Yes that is true too that anxiety can cause all kinds of strange symptoms from needing to blink rapidly to other things. My sister had a problem with anxiety but didnt know it, she thought she wasnt anxious until she got put onto medication.. then she realised she'd been suffering anxiety the whole time due to how different.. much calmer than before, she then felt. (some people live in a constant anxious state..so that state may be normal for them so they may not recognise that they are anxious......................... i had a psychological assessment done on me the other day and after the questions were all answered,... scores for different things (depression, stress, anxiety) were all tallied up by the doc. From that.. one could see if one was suffering from anxiety, stress or depression (those were tallied up separately). I thought that test was great as so many doctors have thought im suffering from anxiety!!! (when i've been insisting i only get ever anxious if something really bad is going on).. the thing is.. my test results show im suffering from high stress and also depression at the moment (which i already was aware of)... my anxiety level was low. (i just hate it when doctors just go and assume things.. maybe ask your doctor if you can be sent to someone for assessment to find out if your problem is anxiety or not). Dont just allow people to tell you that you are suffering from anxiety..if you are not feeling it and no psychological tests have been done.
    taniaaust1 2,267 Replies Flag this Response
  • If you could look up the name of it I would be forever grateful. sorry.. i ended up trying to do that yesterday.. i know i saw the article about it, with it's proper name in wikipedia one time, when i was looking up something else. So i went back to wikipedia and started trying to search for different terms that may of lead me to whatever it is called in the past.. but unfortunately.. i cant now find it.. and as i said.. i dont have a clue now, cant remember (i have memory issues), what the name of the problem actually is. As i suggested before.. maybe go to big CFS site www.immunesupport.com CFS forum.. and just say you have that symptom and ask them there.. Ask if anyone knows what that symptom is actually called (describe it how you described here). (seeing some others there will have that symptom..maybe someone knows the correct medical term for it). (i'd ask for you.. but i've been banned out of that site for being suidical one time). Once you know the correct medical term for it.. you should be able to look up the different things which cause it.
    taniaaust1 2,267 Replies Flag this Response
  • Please help, I am desperate. I have not driven since January. Every time I try to get behind the wheel and drive (or am a passenger in the car) I get this weird sensation, like my brain can't keep up with my eyes. I feel slightly nauseous and shaky. Mostly though, it's like my eyes aren't seeing things right-- like they can't take in all the information. It seems surreal, and like everything is passing by the window too quickly. I also feel almost like I could lose consciousness at any moment (even though I never have). I have been on anti-depressant/anti-anxiety drugs, beta blockers, had an EKG, blood sugar, blood pressure, been tested for vertigo, and saw a psychologist who tried to do gradual baby steps with me. I do NOT have anxious thoughts though. I am not thinking about how dangerous the car is or that something bad is going to happen. It's just this horrible physical feeling. I don't know what else to do but not being able to drive is really wearing on me.Hi,I just happened upon this site looking for some info pertaining to a symptom I developed in relation to a horrible reaction/withdrawal to antidepressants. Everything you list here is a "side" effect of antidepressants, particularly SSRI/SNRI antidepressants. If you have withdrawn recently from one, especially cold turkey or too quickly (more than 10% drops in dose at a time) you can end up with these types of problems. I had all the symptoms you describe, and despite being diagnosed several times as having had a reaction/withdrawal problem, the doctors I see now continue to refuse the problems were due to a drug. All tests I have had come back normal, including every brain scan under the sun. Yet I felt like I couldn't focus my eyes properly, and riding in a car was a nightmare, like you describe.You may want to check out www.paxilprogress.org and post what you are experiencing, irregardless of they type of antidepressant you are/were taking. Also, if you are taking beta-blockers that could explain why you don't feel anxiety along with this (not saying you necessarily will, but you can.) They tend to block release of adrenaline (I'm on one for this.)Oh, and I should mention the most important thing--this does abate with time if it is drug-related, and there are some things you can do to help the healing process. The site I mentioned can help you with suggestions.Take care.
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  • I forgot to add two things:-EMFs tend to make this worse (what Blaze wrote is true)-if you are still on these drugs, DO NOT ABRUPTLY STOP EITHER OF THEM. There are only a couple of situations where abrupt cessation of either of those class of drugs is recommended. Tapering off of them is best (at the rate I mentioned, particularly for the AD), if you suspect a problem. Talk to your doctor first, but don't be surprised if they don't suspect the drugs--most of their info comes right from drug companies, and is highly biased.
    Anonymous 42,789 Replies Flag this Response
  • Thanks everyone. In response to some of your posts:I was on zoloft-- very low dose (because they thought I was suffering from anxiety-- this problem started before, not after the zoloft). I weened off. Then started the beta blockers b/c the psychologist said that it can help block the physical effects of anxiety. It didn't do anything for me. I also tried xanax,which did nothing. Then my dr. prescribed paxil, which is supposed to be best for anxiety. I took one pill and that was it for me. It made my jaw tremble and I could not sleep well at all. I did go over to the other forum suggested. They were helpful in suggesting it could be Lyme disease or Fibromyalgia, but I do not have any other symptoms of either of these. I would give anything just to figure out what this is!! It is driving me crazy and I hate depending on other people to drive me every single place. I am 28, no 88 :(
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  • Dear Heatherg,I so hope you read this. When I read your post it was like I could have written it. I have the exact same problem which has been building for 2 years and now I also haven't driving roads where I have to go over 60-80km's per hour for 8 months. It seriously if like my brain & body become seperate, the exact same vision/feeling which results in a complete inability to go forward.I started with an iridologist, 2 optomitrists, dr's, psychologist. The psychologist is telling me to drive with someone I feel safe with & they just don't get it...Its an actual physical process that happens, not fear...the physical process of vision/brain changes then brings anxiety..naturally, I mean I'm driving. Operating fast equipment and eyes/brain changes so reactions change.Please contact me on kimkrice@gmail.com & maybe we can share info and someone find out what the heck is up. I would do ANYTHING to have my driving facilities returned to how they were. Hope to hear from you
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  • i just stumbled on this site, how are you guys coping with your situation? i'm a tractor trailer driver,motorcycle rider, and family car driver and i've being battling the exact same thing for almost 20 years, i've been on zoloft for almost 10 yrs. every single time i turn the key the thoughts jump in to my head, yet no matter how uncomfortable i feel,i cannot and willnot let this thing beat me, i have a lot of personel restrictions placed upon my self,and one day i will be ''free''. if this thread is stll active, please respond and i will give you my e-mail,hopefully i can help you start down the road(uummm,yea)to feeling less anxious, and maybe helping sombody else will somhow help me. fyi, i'm not looking for anything,no money,no stupid internet gimmicks,nothing. i know your both geniune because of the symptons you describe and thats all i care about.
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  • i just stumpled upon this thread and was wondering how you guys are coping with your situations.i have had the exact same symptons for almost 20 years,i've been on zoloft for about 10 years and i'm at the point where its somwhat tolorable.i'm a tractor trailer driver, motorcycle rider and family car driver, i do have some personal restrictions placed upon myself,and my goal is is to be free of these. i cannot and willnot let these feelings beat me.i hope you both have had some luck and hopefully we can help each other.if you read this,please respond and i can send you my e-mail.
    driver1 2 Replies Flag this Response
  • In your discernment of whether or not the events are caused by anxiety, because anxiety problems typically accompany other related things you can gain insight into the "anxiety" probability by considering some of anxietiy's "other things". For example, if anxiety or panic attacks run in your family, then this tends to increase the liklihood that anxiety is involved your instance. Some common conditions have anxiety as a symptom. Logically, if you have a condition that has anxiety as a possible symptom, then it makes sense that it is more likely that anxiety is related. It would be very unusual for your described events to be caused by anxiety when there are no other clues of the presence of an underlying anxiety condition. If a family member had bipolar or some other anxity condition, this would tend to increase the likelihood that anxiety is related and does not necessarily mean that you would have the host condition through which your relative's anxiety surfaced through. Coming from a totally different approach, there is an old medical addage that rare presentations of common conditions are much more prevelant than rare conditions. To-that-end, your scenario somewhat mimics motion sickness. Though it's unlikely, I think it's still worth trying an over-the-counter motion sickness medicine to rule out that possibility. Motion sickness has to do with your body getting contradictory sensory data. Good luck!
    Michaelx2 5 Replies Flag this Response
  • I don't believe anyone said that their problem was caused by anxiety.somthing happens at a certain time and place(might only be for a split second) that gets inbedded in your subconsciousnes and then when you get to that point again your brain releases a fight or flight response which cause anxiety.So, what we have to figure out is what happened at that point,knowing this,may help deal with the anxiety issues.For me, it was summer time and it was really hot out, i stayed up all night hangin out(no beers),then i went to work at around 5:30 am, i stopped and picked up a large coffee,i had not really had anything good to eat all weekend,just a bite here,bite there. So,i got my truck and proceeded out to make a delivery, i had my coffee and smokes and no airconditioning or radio and it was extreamly hot and humid out.So as Im driving along the highway,I started to feel a little "off",by the time i got to the site,I just was not feeling right at all, then on the drive back, i could not feel my arms or legs,my heart was pounding out of my chest,i was sweating buckets and everything seemed like it was in another dimention, I was sceared stiff.I had all the "usual"checkups done,heart,blood,eeg,mri,ekg and any other 3 letter initial you can think off,plus some. I've been to therpists,phsyc's hipnotists and so far i cant find any witch doctors or I'd be there too.My problem is simple, lack of proper food,drink etc made my blood surgar drop that day and sent my brain into defense mode, then whenever i got to that point in the road,my so called defenses would kick in and the more i fought it,the more terrifiying it became. I found that by taking a detour around that spot helped me,,,until something in me caught on and lo and behold here comes anxiety, now it was in my mind all the time,tunnels,bridges,highways,backroads, whenever i got behind the wheel i brought my fear like a co;pilot.I stated my problem was simple, the solution has been anything but.I think I've learned alot about anxiety,enough to know that it won"t kill me and that i can deal with the "demons"when they rear up, it's a simple concept,just dismiss them like you would a fly,it's still buzzing around and you are aware of it's presence but just carry on with what you were doing and don't let it distract you.Personally,doing somthing silly,but not distracting from driving helps,such as eating an apple,wondering where the car next to me is going,check the balance on the radio,roll down the window,basically just dismissing my fears,telling them to buzz off,i'm not interested in entertaing them right now, it takes practice to be calm,but it does'nt take long to figure out how easy it is to just be yourself again.I still deal with anxiety even though the thing that caused it is long gone, but I drive a tractor trailer,I ride a motorcycle, I do take zoloft and I guess that helps, but one day I will be zoloft free and able to get behind the wheel without my co-pilot.My anxiey is very manageable now,and I know I still have a bit to go.....but,giving up is the worst thing I think I could do for myself.:)
    driver1 2 Replies
    • September 1, 2009
    • 03:23 AM
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  • Driver1, If you want, I can give you my opinion on your situation. My mind functions differently than most. I can understand things that most people can't understand. The problem is, I can not understand things that most people can. Therefore, the value that I bring to a situation like yours is that my assessment is likely to be of a unique perspective, no more insightful than others, but insight from a different "angle". FYI, like you, I also have a class "A" CDL. I drove for about 2 years in the mid-west. Also FYI, I chose this particular post because I am very interested in research of these specific types of scenarios. If I am to bring any value to you, I don't think it will be "home run" type answer. Instead, it is more likely to be value via me influencing you to consider some things that you might have not yet considered, which, in turn, may eventually lead you to your correct answer. If you answer the following list of questions, I will form and state my opinion. (the following list of questions will include some seemingly quite ridiculous questions) 1. What do you recall about the period of time that preceded your original incident? Was there a particular reason that you did not take care of yourself during this particular time? Is it like you to act the way you did during that time? 2. Do your symptoms tend to be worse around each summer? 3. Do you ever have any problems with, for lack of a better word, "anti-anxiety," like not having any anxiety or fear about things that a typical person would likely have anxiety or fear about? 4. In what month were you born? If you are concerned about identity theft, the season will suffice. 5. Are you aware of a family history of any gland conditions? 5.5 Are you aware of a family history of any nutritional deficiencies? 6. Are you an owner/operator or an employee? Re: Zoloft (and assuming that it is for depression) 7. How old were you when you first recall being depressed? 8. Which best describes your depression: A: Sadness B: Sadness w/ a feeling of "I can't do anything right" C: Sadness w/ an emotional numbness 9. Was/is your depression "typical" or "a-typical"? For example, typical depression does not usually lift temporarily in response to a positive stimuli, like a visit from a loved one. Atypical depression is much more likely to temporarily lift this way. Also, a feeling of "heaviness" or "slowed" movement, especially of the arms and legs is consistent with atypical depression. 9.5 In your own words, please describe how the Zoloft helps you. 10. In which state do you live? If you are concerned about identity theft, the region will suffice. 11. What's your driving record like? 12. What’s your police record like (including non-traffic matters), if you have a police record? 13. Though you were not drinking during the week preceding your triggering episode, how would you rate your predisposition to alcohol, speed and other drugs, including over-the-counter drugs? 14. What’s the ratio or % of family members that appear to have at least some pre-dispositions to abusing alcohol and/or other drugs, including over-the-counter drugs? 15. What is the exact date of the triggering incident? 16. Separate from whether or not you would agree, how do you think your friends describe your personality? 17. Do you seem to crave sugars and starches more than most people? If so, does the intensity of the craving appear to fluctuate? 18. Do your hands and feet tend to get cold more than most people? 19. Do you often wear sun glasses when you drive to avoid head-aches? 20. Is 5:30 a.m. your regular start time? On call 24/7? If neither, please describe your work schedule. That wraps up my list of ridiculous questions. I certainly won’t be offended if you find the list of questions too ridiculous to reply to, but if your frustration exceeds the ridiculousness of my questions, the worst that can happen is that you waste a few minutes of your time. Good luck!
    Michaelx2 5 Replies
    • September 2, 2009
    • 04:16 AM
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