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Always tired! It's ruining my life! Long post but PLEASE HELP

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  • Posted By: UncomfortablyNumb
  • October 19, 2007
  • 06:05 PM

I am going to write a lot, because I've been posting about this over dozens of boards for a decade now with no clear answers.

I would appreciate it if somebody please reads my entire post and gives me advice because this problem is ruining my marriage, career and academic record.

I just recently got insurance and will go get a blood test taken.

Here is my problem: I am 23, but I am always tired. I have been for the past 10 years at least. At first I didn't think much of it, because I was a straight A student and high school and early college didn't require much thinking to get through.

Later on I started becoming very interested in math and spent hours upon hours reading books non-stop. I did it by binge drinking soda. Caffeine does nothing for me, but sugar, especially fructose - let alone high fructose corn syrup - helped me retain what I read, and keep my focus. I excelled at my hobbies (mathematical ones, like programming).

One day I just decided to quit soda cold turkey along with caffeine. From that day on, I had no soda, coffee, tea, etc. Not on occasion, not ever. After about a week I noticed how exhausted and unable to focus I had become.

These symptoms became increasingly worse.. now here's the thing. I don't know if the symptoms getting worse caused me to avoid leaving my house and sleeping more, or if those things are the reason I became tired. I don't remember which came first.

For the past 3-4 years, i've been way too tired to keep up in school and at my job. I sit in class but I cannot keep up. my attention wanders off every 3-4 seconds (literally) and I cannot sit still. I am constantly yawning and get so bored that I feel like screaming and leaving the class.

Class ends and I remember nothing that the professor has said. This forces me to dissolve sugar under my tongue continously and snort caffeine so I can go through the entire chapter(s) before exams. This is how I maintain my GPA now.....

My job is meaningless and doesn't require a brain. The fact that I am always drowsey makes me VERY irritated. This is ruining my family life..

I tried different diets. I tried veganism, raw veganism, high carb - low carb and high fat - low carb. The one that gives me the most energy is high fat diet, but I cannot maintain that diet with my lifestyle because it requires that I eat no carbs, which is hard when I'm always in and out of a class or my job.

My schedule isn't THAT busy as to make me this tired. I have people my age doing double what I do and they're alwyas energetic.

I've tried altering my bed schedule. Whether I sleep 4 hours or 10 hours, I feel exactly the same when I wake up: Exhausted, unmotivated, irritated and suffering from a general malaise.

I would certainly be labeled as having ADHD (but I don't believe that exists), but my main problem is fatigue, which seems to be causing the irritability and inability to concentrate. I never went to a doctor for this because I don't want stuff permanently on my medical record. I am going to get a blood test and I am going to Doctor Shop for Modafinil. If that doesn't work, I'll ask the doctor for Ritalin and then Methamphetamine.

Speed might be fun and useful, but I'm looking for something more long term. This problem is making me increasingly depressed.

I took shrooms, and I began pondering this problem. The thing about shrooms is that they aren't a stimulant, but they potentiate emotions and feelings. Now, when I was happy or when a good song was playing, I felt extremely energetic and upbeat. When I began thinking of something depressing, I became exhausted.

After this I began wondering if the problem can be psychological. I feel VERY tired in class, but I can concentrate if I really like the topic. I can (and sometimes do) stay up all night reading about something I enjoy. Overall though, I'm just way too foggy-minded, tired and irritated to live my day to day life.

There's really no reason other than genetics (or maybe a virus?) as to WHY I should be tired if I exercise, eat properly, sleep on time, stay away from all chemicals (asparatme, PCP, alcohol, etc, I tried abstaining from ALL), stop masturbating and having sex, etc.. I tried EVERYTHING except going to the doctor!

I did visit the doctor for non-related problems and blood tests always showed that I might be anemic.. hmm! but iron supplements did nothing to help, and I wasn't born anemic.

I keep procrastinating on fixing this problem but now I have insurance and I'm close to getting dropped from the Dean's Honor Roll. Please help!

I would like to know WHAT this problem can be. What specific doctors should I go to?

I am thinking it is one of the following:

* Something mental (depression? too much stress or anxiety?)

* Anemia? I take a multivitamin daily.. and was told once to go to a blood doctor and get checked up for anemia because my RBCs are oval shaped. I wasn't born anemic. Is it something you can 'get' after birth?

* Genes? My mommy is always tired but she's been on meds for psychosis for 20 years. My dad has more energy than anyone I've ever met.

* A virus of some sort? I heard that ~90% of people with chronic fatigue have a virus and there's nothing that can be done about it except to counter the symptoms with psychostimulants.

I don't want to get 'new-edgy' but I find it hard to be in the present moment. I am constantly worried or day dreaming or thinking about something unrelated to where I am Right Now. It feels like my brain is processing useless ****, keeping it at 100% CPU usage all the time. I can "stop" this by focusing on the present moment. I meditate and practice this daily, but later on in the day, as I get increasingly more tired, this task becomes overwhelming, if not impossible.

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  • You are tired because your RBC's which transport oxygen to your cells are either limited, or oddly shaped. Go to an internal medicine doctor who can run SMA-20 and some thyroid tests. Fasting blood sugar also. Maybe you are becoming diabetic because all those sugar bombs injured your pancreas and you blood sugar is chronically low.
    rad-skw 1,605 Replies
    • October 20, 2007
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  • Oval RBC's are associated withHereditary elliptocytosisMegaloblastic anaemiaIron deficiencyThalassaemiaMyelofibrosis
    rad-skw 1,605 Replies
    • October 20, 2007
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  • HiI have just been reading your post and it is very similar to how i was feeling before GP found i was B12 def.I see your doc said you were anaemic.But the serum B12 test is seperate to a FBC.Might be worth you looking into it.You say your RBC is an irregular shape which maybe because of folate (folic acid B9) or B12 def.There is also a condition called pernicious anaemia and no amount of vit supplements will be of any help as your body cannot absorb them orally.Go back to GP and ask for more tests.hope this helps
    Anonymous 42,789 Replies
    • October 21, 2007
    • 05:51 PM
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  • Thanks for the replies, everyone. Interesting that you mention B12. I initially signed up to the forums because I had a condition where my body was numb. I couldn't find anything in my pocket because everything felt alien/strange. I can't describe the feeling. It's not really numb. It's more like it's over sensitized, or like I am being electricuted. Anyway, I know that B12 deficiencies cause nerve problems. That numbness problem is gone, but I do get it from time to time if I drink alcohol or smoke pot or tobacco. Pot can cause numbness by causing paranoia (in my experience it subsides when you relax.. psychological, but still too uncommon), and alcohol and nicotine lower B12 levels.Anyway - Something to bring up with my doctor. Thank you. I am going to make an appointment with an Internal Medicine doctor on Monday.BTW - What options did he give you for dealing with your B12 deficiency? How has your treatment been working?
    UncomfortablyNumb 5 Replies
    • October 21, 2007
    • 09:29 PM
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  • I can relate to what your feeling, mine is major constant brain fog withseveral other symtoms. I have been suffering for 1 year next month. These are the things I might suggest, after having been to over 20 doctors in the last year and still feel horrible. (I am 28 years old). Get your TSH, Free T3 and Free T4 checked, it could be hypothyroidism. Have you gained any weight or anything like that? Read about hypothyrod and see if you have any other symptoms. I just got put on Armor for being hypo. I dont feel a difference yet though, its only been 3 days. Also, I am currenntly doing NAET treatments, I cant tell you if this will work for you or not but it basically eliminates food and enviromental allergies as you can have intolerances without even knowing thats whats ailing you. www.naet.com to find a specialist in your area. I am also seing a Natropathic physician who is making sure im getting the supplements I need and can do B vitamin injections and other injections of vitamins to boost your immune system. They can also order tests and perscribe things. I am basically being treated for Chronic Fatigue. One thing I have been told throughout all of this is that anxiety and depression can cause all of the symptoms you have described, but I think that deficiencies and other things lead to anxiety and depression so why not FIND the cause instead of masking it with things. Thats just my thoughts on that. I really think foods, yeast, illness, enviromental things, mold trigger anxiety, depression, ect in us. Anyhoo, I hope you get feeling better soon just like i hope for myself. Hang in there and try to think positive thoughts! ~Stacky:confused:
    stacky 52 Replies
    • October 21, 2007
    • 09:31 PM
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  • Hi"BTW - What options did he give you for dealing with your B12 deficiency?How has your treatment been working?"Injection every 3 months doc said that tablets (think they are called sublinguals) would not be enough for me,struggled at first with this but have recently found i am also def in folate and iron and since being on meds for that. i feel so much better.It has taken a long time to get all 3 to a good level and for me to feel any benefit.Good luck on monday
    Anonymous 42,789 Replies
    • October 21, 2007
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  • Hi,doesn't it hurt to snort cafine? Sorry had to ask. Anyways as far as your problem goes I would say that you have chronic anemia. By chronic I mean long term and no you weren't born with it. Our bodies naturally use and replace it. Iron as you probably know from the adds on TV is most easily gained from meat, I'm guessing your vegan etc diets actually made your problem worse. Contrary to popular belief our bodies often find it a tad difficult to absorb the stuff. Cafine, calcium and lots of other things reduce our ability to absorb it and also can destroy it. Your funny shaped blood cells are the result of longterm anemia. Iron is found in a couple of different forms in our bodies in simple terms we've got some that acts like cash on hand and some that's in the bank. Your funny shaped blood cells indicate that your iron stores are depleted. So you get two well actually three problems iron is what carries the oxygen in the blood so you've got decreased o2 from that and the cell shape makes the blood inefficient. So you get a double wammy. Thirdly all this makes it bloody hard for your body to absorb b12. Unfortunately the iron content of multi vitamins is negligible and not nearly enough to even make a dent in fixing the problem. You need to take a higher dose of iron which can be purchased over the counter at the chemist remember you need to rebuild your iron stores as well as your availiable iron. This can take time although just giving your body something to work with should make you feel a bit better. You should be vastly improved in two to three months you need to take the suppliment for around six months tho to build up the stores. Also get yourself a bcomplex suppliment and maybe some zinc. Good luck From another anemic, exhausted uni student.
    Anonymous 42,789 Replies
    • October 21, 2007
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  • Thanks for the replies. I don't think it's my diet. I eat red meat daily. If I do have an iron deficiency, it's not because I don't consume enough iron, but because the iron isn't getting absorbed due to another problem (maybe competition with other minerals/vitamins or due to lack of another mineral/vitamin). The problem could very well just be psychological. I still don't know if my anxiety problems are due to being tired, or is the reason I am tired.
    UncomfortablyNumb 5 Replies
    • October 23, 2007
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  • Well, I am not a Doctor but can give you my interpetation based on my own experiences. I too was very tired, for years. Then one day not to long ago a doctor did some blood work on me for my ability to produce B-12. It was found out that the process begins in the stomach with your ingestion of food. Something was blocking this process in my case. I now get regular B-12 injection intermuscular in the arm. It helped out so much, I am not tired as before and can carry on a normal life. One thing I should mention, it can take a few months of injections for your body to build up enough B-12 to make a difference in your life activities and if you miss your injection date, you will start feeling run down and tired very easily. Ask you doctor about the possibility of a B-12 disorder and get the blood work done to rule out the possibility. You might be surprised at the results.
    Anonymous 42,789 Replies
    • December 21, 2010
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