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Do I have stage 4 lung cancer?

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  • Posted By: axelrose
  • January 23, 2009
  • 00:44 AM

I smoke 4-5 packs per day and have this cough that lasts all day. I produce a lot of plem with each cough, it is sometimes a mouthful of plegm and I have to swallow it because there is no where to spit. I also wheeze a lot all day long and get out of breath doing something simple like walking to the kitchen or rolling over in the bed.

I have a CPAP machine because I have sleep apnea, during my testing the doctor said I stopped breathing about 2 times per minute and it was the worst he had seen or read about.

I've been smoking like this for more than 30 years. All those nicotine replacement therapies I get a serious rash or anaphylatic shock.

Drugs like Chaintix cause my blood pressure to go 250/200 and I have transient aschemic attacks multiple time an hour. So there is nothing for me except cold turkey.

But does anyone here think I might have STAGE 4 Lung Cancer or something as bad?

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  • I smoke 4-5 packs per day and have this cough that lasts all day. I produce a lot of plem with each cough, it is sometimes a mouthful of plegm and I have to swallow it because there is no where to spit. I also wheeze a lot all day long and get out of breath doing something simple like walking to the kitchen or rolling over in the bed.I have a CPAP machine because I have sleep apnea, during my testing the doctor said I stopped breathing about 2 times per minute and it was the worst he had seen or read about.I've been smoking like this for more than 30 years. All those nicotine replacement therapies I get a serious rash or anaphylatic shock.Drugs like Chaintix cause my blood pressure to go 250/200 and I have transient aschemic attacks multiple time an hour. So there is nothing for me except cold turkey.But does anyone here think I might have STAGE 4 Lung Cancer or something as bad?I am sorry to hear that but its my first time that i hear someone smokes 4-5 packs a day, i wouldnt know if you had cancer but you should see a lung specialist
    masiii 5 Replies
    • February 11, 2009
    • 03:05 AM
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  • I am sorry to hear that but its my first time that i hear someone smokes 4-5 packs a day, i wouldnt know if you had cancer but you should see a lung specialistI see doctors frequently, one time a week sometimes and they all just give me inhalers and nebulizers for treatments. They never seem to give less of a ***n if I quit in fact they've never told me to quit, never even suggested it.It's as though they know I'll never quit smoking so why bother?This type of reaction from doctors over anything from smoking to doing illegal drugs seems more common today. I guess doctors are jaded and don't care anymore.
    axelrose 66 Replies
    • February 12, 2009
    • 01:56 AM
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  • you should change your doctor, & then let them do all the testing over because inhaler's work but not too good so you can go to lung specialist.
    masiii 5 Replies
    • February 13, 2009
    • 06:53 AM
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  • you should change your doctor, & then let them do all the testing over because inhaler's work but not too good so you can go to lung specialist.Really though now that I think about it we all die. Some sooner some later but we all die and go into the ground and are forgotten. Maybe I should stop being so selfish in trying to find a way to possibly save my life. I could be doing something to help others, food drives, raising money for charities.I need to stop thinking me me me all the time. If I have lung cancer then sobeit there is nothing I can do to reverse this last decade of chain smoking.
    axelrose 66 Replies
    • February 14, 2009
    • 01:21 AM
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  • I see doctors frequently, one time a week sometimes and they all just give me inhalers and nebulizers for treatments. They never seem to give less of a ***n if I quit in fact they've never told me to quit, never even suggested it. It's as though they know I'll never quit smoking so why bother? This type of reaction from doctors over anything from smoking to doing illegal drugs seems more common today. I guess doctors are jaded and don't care anymore.Why all the anger towards the medical profession? It seems that they are right-- you are not prepared to take your health seriously as evidenced by all the smoking. Why should they take your issues more seriously than you do? I don't think the docs are jaded...I think they are frustrated. If everyone on the planet (just about) knows how detrimental smoking and illegal drug use can be, then they do it anyway and expect someone to swoop down and rescue them when it inevitably causes health issues.....well, that's not quite right is it? Wouldn't their time and energy be better spent on someone who cares what happens to their own future?If your not prepared to quit smoking (even if you have to quit cold-turkey), why does it matter if you have lung cancer or not? If you continue to smoke, no treatment for lung cancer will be effective. I'm not judging...I use to be a 2-pack a day smoker myself. I'm just trying to call a duck a duck. Let's put the blame where it belongs and try to move forward from there, okay? Oh, I quit my habit cold-turkey too. It can be done, but only if YOU want it to happen. All of your symptoms can be attributed to the smoking, regardless of cancer. Why not quit? You may not be able to undo any damage done, but you can prevent future damage. Give it a try, it's actually very nice to be able to climb a stairwell without getting out of breath.
    Harmonium 322 Replies
    • February 14, 2009
    • 05:31 AM
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  • Why all the anger towards the medical profession? It seems that they are right-- you are not prepared to take your health seriously as evidenced by all the smoking. Why should they take your issues more seriously than you do? I don't think the docs are jaded...I think they are frustrated. If everyone on the planet (just about) knows how detrimental smoking and illegal drug use can be, then they do it anyway and expect someone to swoop down and rescue them when it inevitably causes health issues.....well, that's not quite right is it? Wouldn't their time and energy be better spent on someone who cares what happens to their own future? If your not prepared to quit smoking (even if you have to quit cold-turkey), why does it matter if you have lung cancer or not? If you continue to smoke, no treatment for lung cancer will be effective. I'm not judging...I use to be a 2-pack a day smoker myself. I'm just trying to call a duck a duck. Let's put the blame where it belongs and try to move forward from there, okay? Oh, I quit my habit cold-turkey too. It can be done, but only if YOU want it to happen. All of your symptoms can be attributed to the smoking, regardless of cancer. Why not quit? You may not be able to undo any damage done, but you can prevent future damage. Give it a try, it's actually very nice to be able to climb a stairwell without getting out of breath. I absolutely agree. Also, consider trying hypnotherapy for quitting smoking. I have some friends tell me this really helped them. You would need to find a good one with experience in quitting smoking, of course. Best wishesDOM
    acuann 3080 Replies
    • February 14, 2009
    • 02:50 PM
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  • I absolutely agree. Also, consider trying hypnotherapy for quitting smoking.Thanks, Acuann. :) I don't know about hypnotherapy, but I have had several friends quit with the use of acupuncture. Finding a good DOM is really helpful for so many things!
    Harmonium 322 Replies
    • February 14, 2009
    • 07:23 PM
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  • If your not prepared to quit smoking (even if you have to quit cold-turkey), why does it matter if you have lung cancer or not? If you continue to smoke, no treatment for lung cancer will be effective.You and others honestly believe that smoking for 3-6 months during chemo and radiation therapy would make those therapies less effective to the point the doctor's could measure it?I've heard of people diagnosed with lung cancer who were smokers. When they asked the doctor if quitting smoking would help now with their treatments the doctor said it would be silly to think 6 months of non-smoking will help reverse 30+ years of smoking. The doctors literally said that if the chemo or radiation treatment didn't work that it would NOT matter if you quit smoking or continued to smoke.You people do realize the cell mutations from smoking takes decades? It's not going to matter what you do for a few weeks or months.The drugs don't know that you're still smoking. The radiation can't detect you're still smoking and decide, like a person?, to be less effective.Another thing, do you all not realize that when a smoker inhales they are inhaling radiation each time? So you're saying to stop smoking for your radiation treatments so that the amount of radiation will be LESS and that would be better? How exactly is LESS radiation better for a cancer patient?I see a lot of things on these boards that people discuss and it's harmless but please stop exaggerating the harm of smoking or the God-like results people get from stopping smoking.Same goes for people claiming nearly all prescription drugs will kill you and then promote a vitamin or supplement that has exactly zero double-blind studies to verfiy it helps with whatever you're claiming.If vitamins and supplements truly worked as well as people claim then the pharmaceutical companies would have all went bankrupt more than 20 years ago. And are we to believe all our doctors are in a conspiracy with the drug companies to convince us that those $1 per bottle of pills will cure a disease that is currently costing $100 per bottle of prescription drugs?And I'm sure nearly everyone here believes in the claim of 2nd hand smoke dangers. Oh the horror is so bad that even the CDC's website is vague in a commitment to the 2nd hand smoke effects. Amd then there are those ladies who worked as watresses in bars for 30+ years inhaling 2nd hand smoke. 99.99% of them never developed any lung related disease. The idea that 2nd hand smoke is AS dangerous as 1st hand smoke is completely ludicrus and when I read it/hear it I know I am talking to a person with a very low IQ. Maybe their IQ is so low because of 2nd hand smoke?
    axelrose 66 Replies
    • February 14, 2009
    • 09:17 PM
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  • I smoke 4-5 packs per day and have this cough that lasts all day. But does anyone here think I might have STAGE 4 Lung Cancer or something as bad? Ummmm now im confused after all you say, why on earth have you asked such a silly question that no-one here could answer. Take responsability for your own actions and stop making excuses. You ask the questions then batter everyone that doesn't say what you want to hear. You don't even know if you have Lung Cancer nevermind Stage 4 You might as well ask us, "are you going to get hit by a big red bus" ! :rolleyes:
    Tootsie 628 Replies
    • February 14, 2009
    • 09:44 PM
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  • Why all the anger and low IQ references? I didn't insult you at all, there is no reason to get ugly. I was trying to help-- help you requested. Take responsability for your own actions and stop making excuses. I second this, whole-heartedly. If you cannot see the errors and lack of logic in your post, so be it. It's your life, not mine.
    Harmonium 322 Replies
    • February 14, 2009
    • 10:37 PM
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  • Ummmm now im confused after all you say, why on earth have you asked such a silly question that no-one here could answer. Take responsability for your own actions and stop making excuses. You ask the questions then batter everyone that doesn't say what you want to hear. You don't even know if you have Lung Cancer nevermind Stage 4 You might as well ask us, "are you going to get hit by a big red bus" ! :rolleyes:Whatever dude...at least I've learned how to view the advice given here.
    axelrose 66 Replies
    • February 15, 2009
    • 01:27 AM
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  • Whatever dude...at least I've learned how to view the advice given here. I'm very sure that advice will be filed under "B" for Bin :D
    Tootsie 628 Replies
    • February 15, 2009
    • 01:34 AM
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  • I'm very sure that advice will be filed under "B" for Bin :DI don't get the joke.
    axelrose 66 Replies
    • February 15, 2009
    • 04:32 AM
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  • You and others honestly believe that smoking for 3-6 months during chemo and radiation therapy would make those therapies less effective to the point the doctor's could measure it? I've heard of people diagnosed with lung cancer who were smokers. When they asked the doctor if quitting smoking would help now with their treatments the doctor said it would be silly to think 6 months of non-smoking will help reverse 30+ years of smoking. The doctors literally said that if the chemo or radiation treatment didn't work that it would NOT matter if you quit smoking or continued to smoke. You people do realize the cell mutations from smoking takes decades? It's not going to matter what you do for a few weeks or months. The drugs don't know that you're still smoking. The radiation can't detect you're still smoking and decide, like a person?, to be less effective. Another thing, do you all not realize that when a smoker inhales they are inhaling radiation each time? So you're saying to stop smoking for your radiation treatments so that the amount of radiation will be LESS and that would be better? How exactly is LESS radiation better for a cancer patient? I see a lot of things on these boards that people discuss and it's harmless but please stop exaggerating the harm of smoking or the God-like results people get from stopping smoking. Same goes for people claiming nearly all prescription drugs will kill you and then promote a vitamin or supplement that has exactly zero double-blind studies to verfiy it helps with whatever you're claiming. If vitamins and supplements truly worked as well as people claim then the pharmaceutical companies would have all went bankrupt more than 20 years ago. And are we to believe all our doctors are in a conspiracy with the drug companies to convince us that those $1 per bottle of pills will cure a disease that is currently costing $100 per bottle of prescription drugs? And I'm sure nearly everyone here believes in the claim of 2nd hand smoke dangers. Oh the horror is so bad that even the CDC's website is vague in a commitment to the 2nd hand smoke effects. Amd then there are those ladies who worked as watresses in bars for 30+ years inhaling 2nd hand smoke. 99.99% of them never developed any lung related disease. The idea that 2nd hand smoke is AS dangerous as 1st hand smoke is completely ludicrus and when I read it/hear it I know I am talking to a person with a very low IQ. Maybe their IQ is so low because of 2nd hand smoke? Wow, that is some seriously crazy ranting. DOM
    acuann 3080 Replies
    • February 15, 2009
    • 05:06 AM
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  • Wow, that is some seriously crazy ranting. DOMIsn't that the point? We're suppose to rant about health care topics. Especially when idiots tell me to eat from supplement or drink some OJ to sure something a true medication would cure faster and better?I've never seen a doctor who suggested I drink an extra glass of OJ or take a bottle of Vitamin B,D and C to help with the FLu. You get REAL, actual real, drugs from pharmaceutical companies. Yes I know those companies are all evil and want to take over the world some day soon but the medicines they produce work so well for so many diseases.I guess it's like hating wal-mart but then recall that 'the other day at wal-mart I...'And I guess if you get heartburn from drinking too much OJ you will need some fresh pine combs to eat? Remember, we want to go ALL natural.
    axelrose 66 Replies
    • February 15, 2009
    • 00:49 PM
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  • Isn't that the point? We're suppose to rant about health care topics. Especially when idiots tell me to eat from supplement or drink some OJ to sure something a true medication would cure faster and better? I've never seen a doctor who suggested I drink an extra glass of OJ or take a bottle of Vitamin B,D and C to help with the FLu. You get REAL, actual real, drugs from pharmaceutical companies. Yes I know those companies are all evil and want to take over the world some day soon but the medicines they produce work so well for so many diseases. I guess it's like hating wal-mart but then recall that 'the other day at wal-mart I...' And I guess if you get heartburn from drinking too much OJ you will need some fresh pine combs to eat? Remember, we want to go ALL natural. Two things in reply to that. !. Ssssssssssh ! 2. LOL :D
    Tootsie 628 Replies
    • February 15, 2009
    • 01:02 PM
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  • Isn't that the point? We're suppose to rant about health care topics. Especially when idiots tell me to eat from supplement or drink some OJ to sure something a true medication would cure faster and better?I've never seen a doctor who suggested I drink an extra glass of OJ or take a bottle of Vitamin B,D and C to help with the FLu. You get REAL, actual real, drugs from pharmaceutical companies. Yes I know those companies are all evil and want to take over the world some day soon but the medicines they produce work so well for so many diseases.I guess it's like hating wal-mart but then recall that 'the other day at wal-mart I...'And I guess if you get heartburn from drinking too much OJ you will need some fresh pine combs to eat? Remember, we want to go ALL natural.I haven't read where a single respondent to you has suggested OJ or vitamins. You seem to be going off about a hypothetical situation that has not occurred. Maybe dealing with reality is difficult for you--NO ONE I can see is trying to tell you that herbs are better for lung cancer. What is being suggested is you stop doing that which CAUSES lung cancer and maybe see a lung specialist.
    Harmonium 322 Replies
    • February 15, 2009
    • 04:31 PM
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  • Maybe dealing with reality is difficult for you--NO ONE I can see is trying to tell you that herbs are better for lung cancer. What is being suggested is you stop doing that which CAUSES lung cancer and maybe see a lung specialist. You are correct about reality being difficult for me to deal with. I have many bad habits and am bipolar so those do not go together very well. I think of suicide very often but get fearful of my childhood belief in a ***l for those who take their own life.I guess quitting smoking is the key here, no way or trick to make it any better.I apologize if I disrupted this thread or mad anyone sad or angry towards me. As you pointed out, reality for people like me is a deadly monster that I keep avoiding.If anyone reading this, or you know someone, has quit smoking could you tell me what method worked best for you or the person you know?I've trued the Gum, Patch, Pill everything, that CHANTIX pill made me psychotic and I went to a special hospital for a few days so I can't take the Chantix.Is it best to go cold turkey or should I use the gums and patch since doing without nicotine ALL AT ONCE would be something nearly impossible to deal with.But wouldn't my health be better overall even if I chose the Gum or Patch? I'd still be getting Nicotine but wouldn't my not inhaling tar and smoke be better with nicotine replacement? Isn't the deadly part in everything in a cigarette BUT the nicotine? I read a medical journal once that suggested it wouldn't be unhealthy for a previous smoker to use Nicotine replacement for the rest of their life...they were trying to state how much more healthy a person would be not smoking but while also getting steady amounts of nicotine for their life. Does anyone here agree or think that sorta makes since from a 'better vs worse' standpoint?thanks all.
    axelrose 66 Replies
    • February 15, 2009
    • 09:03 PM
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  • Why the debate. The simple fact is that its your health that would benefit. I'm also a smoker :eek: so i have no reason to take a superior stand on it. We all have choices in life & no one can make them for you. You know the score as i do, if you want to stop smoking then stop smoking, use whatever method helps you. Wasn't the orginal question "Do I have stage 4 lung cancer" ? Do you ?
    Tootsie 628 Replies
    • February 15, 2009
    • 10:42 PM
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  • Why the debate. The simple fact is that its your health that would benefit. I'm also a smoker :eek: so i have no reason to take a superior stand on it. We all have choices in life & no one can make them for you. You know the score as i do, if you want to stop smoking then stop smoking, use whatever method helps you. Wasn't the orginal question "Do I have stage 4 lung cancer" ? Do you ?I probably do have stage 4 lung cancer because of my constant coughing of complete mouthful's of phlegm every waking hour of the day. Combine with chest pain and wheezing 24x7. Even after taking two nebulizer treatments and several albuteral inhalers each day I still wheeze like I am whistling a tune for everyone to hear.I haven't even had a chest x-ray in 18 months because way back the doctor gave me a few x-rays in one year and I think he thinks that was enough, but could stage 4 lung cancer appear in an x-ray in less than 18 months of time?And as I said before, I've smoked 25+ years and do smoke from 3.5 - 7.0 packs per day.I guess I might look forward to the morphine they give stage 4 lung cancer patients, at least it wouldn't be painful in the end?
    axelrose 66 Replies
    • February 15, 2009
    • 11:32 PM
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