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Lead poisoning suicide?

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  • Posted By: goat199
  • October 17, 2009
  • 11:40 PM

Hello I have a problem. My brother is trying to commit suicide by giving himself lead poisoning. He is grinding up fishing weights with a file, into powder. We are trying to get him help. How much of this lead powder would be fatal? He told me he ground up 5 weights and swallowed the powder with water. I convinced him to stop for the time. but how much of this can be fatal and over how long of a time period?

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  • He is still doing it. he has done like 50 now but nothing seems to be wrong so I guess it isn't too harmful.Hello I have a problem. My brother is trying to commit suicide by giving himself lead poisoning. He is grinding up fishing weights with a file, into powder. We are trying to get him help. How much of this lead powder would be fatal? He told me he ground up 5 weights and swallowed the powder with water. I convinced him to stop for the time. but how much of this can be fatal and over how long of a time period?
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 19, 2009
    • 05:47 PM
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  • He keeps doing it. is it something that will really do damage to him?
    goat199 13 Replies
    • October 20, 2009
    • 09:39 AM
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  • Hello I have a problem. My brother is trying to commit suicide by giving himself lead poisoning. He is grinding up fishing weights with a file, into powder. We are trying to get him help. How much of this lead powder would be fatal? He told me he ground up 5 weights and swallowed the powder with water. I convinced him to stop for the time. but how much of this can be fatal and over how long of a time period? Whether it's you or your brother doing this, you should try to get help at the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ 1-800-273-TALK (8255) Lead poisoning is going to be a painful, disgusting, prolonged misery. Call and get help please.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 20, 2009
    • 03:24 PM
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  • Hello I have a problem. My brother is trying to commit suicide by giving himself lead poisoning. He is grinding up fishing weights with a file, into powder. We are trying to get him help. How much of this lead powder would be fatal? He told me he ground up 5 weights and swallowed the powder with water. I convinced him to stop for the time. but how much of this can be fatal and over how long of a time period? I'm sorry to hear about this sad situation. Lead poisoning is a horrible, painful, slow and miserable way to die. It sounds like a cry for help to me, someone who is depressed and wants it to end but would really rather not die. So there is hope. No matter who it is trying to commit suicide, you should contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline immediately. They have specialists who can help you with this situation. National Suicide Prevention Lifeline http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ 1-800-273-TALK (8255)
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 20, 2009
    • 03:27 PM
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  • Hello I have a problem. My brother is trying to commit suicide by giving himself lead poisoning. He is grinding up fishing weights with a file, into powder. We are trying to get him help. How much of this lead powder would be fatal? He told me he ground up 5 weights and swallowed the powder with water. I convinced him to stop for the time. but how much of this can be fatal and over how long of a time period?My name is Kris from the Boys Town National Hotline and we work along with Lifeline Suicide Prevention. It sounds like you are dealing with a very serious situation with your brother. We understand how extremely stressful it can be on all involved when a loved one is depressed or considering suicide. At Lifeline our trained counselors are available 24 hours every day to help with any problem. We would be happy to reach out to your brother to provide assistance. In addition, our counselors can help direct him to find help in the immediate area. In addition, if you feel that your brother is in immediate danger, which it sounds like he is. You should contact your local police dispatch department. If you contact the police, officers will be sent to check on him and provide assistance. If you have any further questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to contact Lifeline at the hotline number listed below. Sincerely,Kris Crisis CounselorBoys Town National Hotlinein Cooperation with Lifeline1-800-273-TALK (8255)We are a crisis center in the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline network. If you are in emotional distress or suicidal crisis please call Lifeline at 1-800-273-TALK (8255). We are available 24/7 and your call is free.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 20, 2009
    • 03:55 PM
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  • Well we got him to stop, my parents got him to a counselor. I should have told them a lot quicker but my brother and I are very close and he feels I betrayed his trust but I think it was worth it :) we can repair our relationship though, which is good. do you think all that lead did any damage to him? he seems ok so far :)
    goat199 13 Replies
    • October 21, 2009
    • 02:57 AM
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  • Well we got him to stop, my parents got him to a counselor. I should have told them a lot quicker but my brother and I are very close and he feels I betrayed his trust but I think it was worth it :) we can repair our relationship though, which is good. do you think all that lead did any damage to him? he seems ok so far :) I'm no doctor, but lead poisoning is slow and insidious. Unlike other poisons (from my understanding), it's not like something you ingest and it just kills you the same day. I think there may be symptoms that may be slow to reveal themselves. I HIGHLY recommend that you get him to a medical doctor and talk about what he did so they can keep an eye on him. Remember that many symptoms of lead poisoning don't look like poisoning: depression, stomach aches, unexplained fatigue, headaches, etc. http://children.webmd.com/tc/lead-poisoning-symptoms What's sad about that is that the lead poisoning creates symptoms that may increase the general feelings that drove someone to want to die in the first place. Lots of suicide victims were depressed. Ingesting anything that causes depression and fatigue will likely increase the feeling that life is not worth living. Get him to a doctor ASAP and try to counter any of these conditions. I'm very pleased you got him a counselor. It would have been a betrayal to NOT get him help, quite the opposite of what he thinks. It's like the "friends don't let friends drive drunk" thing. They will often be angry or annoyed with the friend at the time but you still did the right thing. And here's food for thought; in my opinion, people who REALLy want to die do it quietly and secretly and in a very final manner. I've heard of folks who take poison, tie a noose around their necks, and then shoot themselves in the head so they collapse on the rope. It's like they covered every base to make it totally impossible to survive, AND they often do it in a very secretive manner to avoid any possible intervention. When someone starts doing something self-destructive and they TELL a close friend, I think they are telegraphing their unhappiness because they are miserable but really don't want to die, they just can't find a solution on their own. It sounds like he was in a very self-destructive mood but subconsciously wanted you to help him. You have no reason to feel guilty, unless you somehow were the cause for him wanting to die in the first place, which I doubt. Ultimately, it is HE who is responsible for HIS actions, not you or your parents or his friends. Back in my own depressed years, I once read a book by Richard Bach (the author of Jonathan Livingston Seagull), called Illusions. There was a part of the book in which the protagonist was discussing his own sadness and suicidal thoughts, but he never allowed himself to think that suicide was an option. If you hate your life, why not just change lives? If you're really at the point you want to end your life, do it, but not by death: leave and go build a happier life. At that point, what have you got to lose? He said: "there is no problem so large you can't run away from it." We are usually told that you "can't run away from your problems". I thought this twist on the phrase was brilliant. Why not? If you HATE your life, leave it. Pack some bags, and go wander the earth until you find a meaningful life elsewhere! Another book is Sidhartha. This is the Buddha origin, and in this book you learn that a spoiled, rich kid named Sidhartha had anything he wanted but when he saw the misery in the world he abandoned all of his priveleges and went out to meditate. He fasted (one grain of rice per day for 40 days), meditated, and wandered through India to find meaning. Eventually, he formulated the discipline we now call Buddhism. It's really amazing because it's not a religion, it's a discipline. These books inspired me to abandon what I thought was "my life" and start over. I decided that since I had already had a talent for learning Spanish, I would focus on that. Then I worked and save up about $600, got a ride to the Mexican border, took a train to Guadalajara, found a place to rent, and lived there for a while. In high school I had been given the nickname "Quico" (also my screen name here), so I used that instead of my given name. Within days I was a new person, literally. I found it was VERY empowering. No one knows your history. No one knows if you were a poor athlete or a mediocre student. People judge you NOT by your old history, but how you present yourself NOW. So you can quite literally reconstruct yourself in the image you WANT to be, not what you thought you were or what others thought you were. I came back a new person. I got rid of all of my old friends (except my family), introduced myself by my nickname, and continued the process. I've never been depressed (sad a few times, lonely like everyone gets, but never "depressed") again. I'm much happier now, thank you! I guess the point is, people who are depressed (except for chemical depression caused by medical conditions) often are depressed within a certain context. Leave that context and you free yourself of the influences causing the mailaise. Good luck. You're a good brother. He's lucky to have you in his life!
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 21, 2009
    • 03:46 PM
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