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bpd could it be?

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  • Posted By: Anonymous
  • December 5, 2006
  • 02:39 PM

Can anyone advise me on what maybe wrong with me!. I was diagnosed with post natal depression 12 years ago, and ever since have got progressively worse. I know this is not post natal depression. I have constant and severe mood swings every day, i can be happy as larry and for no apparent reason i swing completly and am abusive, and aggressive, i do not hit out but i really feel like i could but so far i havent done. I am always tired i mean to the degree i dont get dressed or do anything unless it is pre planned and even then i never feel like going. I hate going anywhere alone to the degree i will not go i will wait for my husband to come home or go, but on the odd occasion i have gone when my mood is in high spirits. I cant work as when i do i am terrible to live with I scream and shout, cry constantly and shake, I even loose my hair with worry. I always end up leaving my job.
I have children and love em to bits and have never hit them in any temper and am compassionate with my kids but if my husband wasnt here I couldnt cope with them. Noise bothers me severly when i am angry and moody i have to go to a quiet room or i just want to run away to get away from it all. I have had suicidal thoughts and even took an overdose. I have seen physcologists who refered me to a phyciatrist , whos report came back after a half an hour session with him that this is part of my personality and i cant be that bad as I still have friends and i made an effort to dress that day!!!!. I dont see my friends every day or i would loose them . I make my husbands life a misery, I have already broke up 2 other marriages and I am still getting worse. The doctors seems to just keep fobbing me off. I am going around in circles. I have read other sites on BPD and very much sounds like me. I do have an under active thyroid and i am borderline diabetic but i am on no meds for diabeties. I am so forgetful its ridiculous, and gets me in trouble alot with bll paying and appointments. I cry alot and just want to know what is wrong with me , It is not all in my head as my report implies, it doesnt actually state this but i know i have something wrong with me. This is not normal behaviour, my phyciatrist even told me maybe im not getting enough attention!!. My mother had severe mood swings and also striped me of self confidence and i also watched my mother go through a severe illness, which has mentally scarred me, my mother has now passed. My grandmother had unstable moods and one of my cousins has schitzaphrenia (cant spell it) so I dont know where to turn to next. Please any advice will be gratefully taken, im desperate for help x

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  • I would tentatively say you have manic-depression and codependency. But not schizophrenia or borderline personality disorder.
    Non Servium 85 Replies
    • December 6, 2006
    • 04:39 AM
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  • I would tentatively say you have manic-depression and codependency. But not schizophrenia or borderline personality disorder.went to see my doctor again and they agree it does seem to be bpd and are investigating it further. After reading my phyciastrist report it stated clearly the facts that are listed in their guide for bpd my doctor atlast is starting to do something about it only took me approx 12 years to get this far, thanks for ur reply tc x
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • December 7, 2006
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  • Well I've known a lot of manic-depressives and a lot of Borderline Personalities and you sound manic-depressive, not borderline but hey if you want another wrong diagnosis from "professionals" go ahead. Your communication style and manner of thinking, which are clear from your post, do not resemble any borderline personalities I've known. You don't even list any symptoms in your post that match it except maybe some that match manic-depression much better. Your symptom of wanting to lash out violently matched several famous people who have manic-depression, Naomi Campbell for one. The symptom of wanting to stay at home and not deal with the world is also the depression phase of manic depresson. Borderline Personalities will claim the same feeling, but in my experience they spend more time explaining that feeling to others for attention than they do actually feeling it. your poor memory symptom is another that fits manic-depression and not borderline. All the borderlines I know have quite good memories when they want to (most are OCD afterall). Your post includes nothing about over-identifying with other people or with fictional characters, and nothing else to imply that your personality is poorly integrated, which is the essence of what borderline PD is. Is your personality the problem, or your moods? BPD is a PERSONALITY disorder, Manic-depression is MOOD disorder, and affects personality only indirectly as much as lack or surplus of energy might taint the personality.
    Non Servium 85 Replies
    • December 7, 2006
    • 00:21 AM
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  • thank you so much for your reply it is much appreciated. The reason why the professionals, say that is i dont fit the criteria for manic depressive is because my mood swings are too irregular as with a manic depressive they last longer for days at at time apprently. My mood swings are unstable from a couple of hours to a day length, by the time i have gone to bed and got up my mood will be different again and so its starts over with mood swings throughout the day. As far as my personality goes I am what i feel others want me to be at that particular time, for example when i do go out I'm all nicey nicey offering to help at every opportunity, but knowing in reality if they do ask me the day after I wont have the confidence to go and help them, or i have changed again to why would i do that i dont even really like them where as the day before I thought there were great. The tiredness and fatigue I have now been told is to do with my thyroid as I am on a high doesage of thyroxine but am terrible for remembering to take it reg, therefore I have been issued with doessette boxes now so that i can see if I have taken the meds that day. You say in my post that my wanting to lash out violently, I have never lashed out violently only that i have thought at times i could do , but have never got that far. From what i have read upon most sites on bpd, the hatred of self image,instability in moods, experience intense bouts of anger,episodes of impulsive aggression, may feel unfairly misunderstood or mistreated, bored, empty, feel isolated and lacking in social support, and may result in frantic efforts to avoid being alone,highly sensitive to rejection,Suicide threats and attempts, self-injury, this is me to a tee. It is hard to explain in a post exactly how i feel. My husband is now with me to try and explain how i am, as he is the best person to what i am like on a daily basis as he has to live with it every day.He says he never knows what to expect. I have done self harm, suicide threats and attempts,and have , and become so aggitated if I know he is gong and and will attempt to sabutage his attempts at going out. Im sorry my first post didnt have as much information as was needed with my list of symptoms, but I did take my report fromt he phyciastrist with all my symptoms underlined along with alot of literature on bpd also underlined, so when i say matched in my response to you , apart from alcohol abuse and risky sex or substance abuse i had every other symptom matching. I did also think it was bi polar to start with as my doctor had suggested but 2 phyciatrists and phycologists later they are now looking into BPD. Kinds regards tc for now x
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • December 8, 2006
    • 11:01 AM
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  • thank you so much for your reply it is much appreciated. The reason why the professionals, say that is i dont fit the criteria for manic depressive is because my mood swings are too irregular as with a manic depressive they last longer for days at at time apprently. My mood swings are unstable from a couple of hours to a day length, by the time i have gone to bed and got up my mood will be different again and so its starts over with mood swings throughout the day. Your mood swings are too fast? Uh ... A day-long swing is not too short to be an episode. That is the most absurd argument against a case being manic-depression I have ever heard. Your mood goes from manic to depressed, thus the term Manic-Depression. Your mood goes from one extreme pole to the other, thus the term bipolar. If a psychologist tells you that you're not bipolar because your mood swing lasted 24 hours instead of 32 hours, he's obviously an idiot. It is not about counting minutes. The condition is an overall condition, you can't put a stop watch to it and say its not bipolar until it lasts for one more minute or hour. As far as my personality goes I am what i feel others want me to be at that particular time, for example when i do go out I'm all nicey nicey offering to help at every opportunity, but knowing in reality if they do ask me the day after I wont have the confidence to go and help them, or i have changed again to why would i do that i dont even really like them where as the day before I thought there were great. Acting as others want, or acting inconsistently, is not the same as over-identifying with other's personalities or over-empathizing with other's emotions, and it is definitely not the same as having a poorly integrated personality, which is what Borderline PD is. Your personality does not consist of what you say to each person, or whether you smile or not. Personality is an internal phenomenon concerning sets of basic cognitive preferrences. Just because you smile at someone one day and ignore them the next does not mean you have changed your personality, because it is still YOU who did each. I do not believe you have a firm grasp of how personality is defined or what personality is. Your terms are all subjective and jumbled up. If you adjust your exterior manner to avoid feeling guilt, or tension, or some other emotion, regarding whoever is around, you are still acting wholly from the basis of your own personality and in the interests of your own mental-emotional comfort. The tiredness and fatigue I have now been told is to do with my thyroid as I am on a high doesage of thyroxine but am terrible for remembering to take it reg, therefore I have been issued with doessette boxes now so that i can see if I have taken the meds that day. The chemicals involved are irrelavent to the mental illness diagnosis. Lethargy is a symptom of depression. Of course the physical symptom has some chemical mechanism, all do. Its still a mental health symptom. You are distracting yourself with tengential information and holding these doctor's tidbits like the word of God. I don't understand why you don't focus on the deep, core, fundamentals. Define and understand Mood, Personality, Bipolar, and BPD correctly and you'd not even need a Dr. to diagnose you. You say in my post that my wanting to lash out violently, I have never lashed out violently only that i have thought at times i could do , but have never got that far. From what i have read upon most sites on bpd, the hatred of self image,instability in moods, experience intense bouts of anger,episodes of impulsive aggression, may feel unfairly misunderstood or mistreated, bored, empty, feel isolated and lacking in social support, and may result in frantic efforts to avoid being alone,highly sensitive to rejection,Suicide threats and attempts, self-injury, this is me to a tee. I'm just going to repeat myself ... you didn't list any symptoms that don't also match manic-depression better. Everything you've listed fits manic-depression too. Just answer me one single simple question ... Do you have any understanding of the fundamental nature of Borderline Personality Disorder? Or, is it just a laundry list of symptoms to you? You do realize a person can have every symptom and if these are not caused by the underlying disorder, then he still does not have that disorder, right? All the symptoms you list are mood-based, not personality-based. You need to understand the difference. My husband is now with me to try and explain how i am, as he is the best person to what i am like on a daily basis as he has to live with it every day.He says he never knows what to expect. I have done self harm, suicide threats and attempts,and have , and become so aggitated if I know he is gong and and will attempt to sabutage his attempts at going out. This part right here diagnoses Co-Dependency, this symptom is not even bipolar or BPD. Let me take a "wild stab" at what your personality is like, your husband should probably yes or no these, since people rarely perceive themselves accurately .... You are imaginative and creative, probably precocious as a child. You can be very good at being sociable and talking, when you try to, but probably often do not try to, or you find it draining. Basically, you can be pretty sweet and charming to others, if you put your mind to it. You despise detail-work, and sequential procedures, such as filling out forms, though you probably do make many lists yourself. You are generally a spontaneous person, perceptive, and playful. When you have the energy, of course. You do not like hard work or long hours, though you might do both if forced by circumstance. I mean you dislike these even more than the average person does. You value enthusiasm and intuition, an idea person. A dreamer. You are dramatic and explosive. You might take small problems and see them as the end of the world. You prefer being around pretty surroudings, more than most people do, I mean. You are super sensitive to being around ugly places or mean people. You already mentioned your poor memory, but I'll take that a step further. When you do remember things, you probably use crazy little tricks that no one else would ever guess at, like one thing reminding you of another thing, even though they seem completely unrelated to others. Basically, you have a highly associative mind, you draw connections between many things. You tend to notice odd details. You enjoy treats and indulgences, reassurance, attention, and tokens of affection. I mean, even more than the average person might. Now remember, I am speaking in general terms. Circumstances can always provide exceptions to the above, but overall, ask yourself if these fit your personality.
    Non Servium 85 Replies
    • December 8, 2006
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  • I agree with your Doc's. You are BPD not bi-polar. Bi-polar mood swings go on for days, either very high or manic or very low and depressed. You swing back and forth way to fast for that. The other hint comes from your childhood BPD's usually have a parent with either a mental health problem or just plan old poor parenting skills. You see the world in black and white, or all or nothing. Explains your mood swings. You need to learn to get in the middle, or in the gray area. What I recommend is you find a psychatrist and a therapist that really understands BPD it is curable with hard work! You can do it! Read the book "I hate you, don't leave me and see if you fit! Good Luck:)
    kar506 4 Replies
    • December 9, 2006
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  • Be very careful of what that other person is saying BPD and Bi-Polar are very similar and the length of the mood swings is what does determine the difference. Days of highs were you can rule the world followed by lows so low you experience horrible depression. BPD swings are more minor like yours often set off by stress because you never learned how to deal with it when you were young. I bet that you also have seperation anxiety and social fears. Explains why you act in crowds and around people. Bi-polar folks don't have that problem. You can listen to the other person if you choose, but i venture to bet that you hit many more DSM criteria for BPD then for Bi-polar. Have you ever had rouble with anerexia or eating disorders? Another BPD issue. Your angry outbursts are that little child inside of you having a grown-up temper tantrum. People with BPD are very often mis-diagnosed with Bi-polar disorder. Do you happen to get any psychotic symptoms? Hearing voices (often the neglectful or abusive parents voice) that doesn't happen all the time, but can under extreme stess. Symptoms are always worse under stress. Again, listen to your Doc's. They have it figured out! It is not an easy one to diagnose cause it mimics many other types of mental disorders (I hate labels!) By the way i am a special education teacher for emotionally handicapped kids as well as living with a partner with BPD that had been misdiagnosed and needlessly hospitalized and medicated for bi-polar disorder until with reserach we found her a good psychiatrist who figured it out very quickly!
    kar506 4 Replies
    • December 9, 2006
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  • Be very careful of what that other person is saying First of all, I have no reason to lie. Second of all, you can post your opinion without "warning" against mine, no one appointed you the forum police. Days of highs were you can rule the world followed by lows so low you experience horrible depression. BPD swings are more minor like yours often set off by stress because you never learned how to deal with it when you were young. Oh here we go with the Fruedian psychoanalysis about childhood. Sorry, but those theories that were already obsolete 10 years after they were made, which was in the 1800s. If you want theories that are over 100 years out of date then I guess those are okay. You can listen to the other person if you choose, but i venture to bet that you hit many more DSM criteria for BPD then for Bi-polar Another "symptom counter" who has no understanding of the root causes of the disorder or fundamental distinctions between them. If a checklist could diagnose people then we wouldn't need experts to interpret them would we? Again, a mental disorder is a complex and systemic wholistic phenomeon, reducing it to a self-report multiple choice form is only going to get you misdiagnosed yet again. I am continually amazed at the people who consider these subjective and limited peices of paper to be akin to the word of god. fine, go ahead, you got 4 checks in one column and 6 in another column, gee that's definative. If you are considering taking powerful psychiatric drugs based on this, then I guess you deserve what you get. I have no reason to lie or care, aside from hating to see such poor reasoning cluttering up a public forum, but your docs are making thousands off you and I guess their business will be good. Have you ever had trouble with anerexia or eating disorders? Another BPD issue. Anoxeria IS common with BPD, but bulimia and/or obesity is more common with Bipolar, unless you are talking about long-time extreme anorexics, who do learn to purge, but purely as a tactic stemming from their disorder, not as a whole new disorder. Again, listen to your Doc's. They have it figured out! Oh yes, they have it figured our right down to the last dollar they plan to make. By the way i am a special education teacher for emotionally handicapped kids as well as living with a partner with BPD that had been misdiagnosed and needlessly hospitalized and medicated for bi-polar disorder until with reserach we found her a good psychiatrist who figured it out very quickly! And like most others who work in the field you seem to worship the doctors. No one cares if you're the patron saint of hapless orphans, it doesn't mean you're skilled at psychology. You obviously have all kinds of issues because of what happened to your "partner" and so you go around these forums projecting your one case onto everyone else and telling everyone they must have BPD because your partner has it. Like I said, I have no reason to lie, but you obviously are using this forum to work out your own issues with your partner's BPD. I am done posting on this thread. Emily, just forget everything I posted, I could care less if you get misdiagnosed again. In fact, I'd rather not benefit you in any way, so just ignore my prior advice. Go ahead and follow your Doc's advice, I'm sure you'll be back on this forum in a few years when it doesn't work. I was trying to help, but its ridiculous to argue with people who don't even have any clear understanding of the basics let alone this last person who came out of the woodwork talking about your "inner child." This hodgepodge of subjective anecdotes and self-help book taglines is a cartoon compared to the real psychological thought you need. I'm sure you think I'm a big meany, but that don't mean I'm wrong, and again, I have no reason to lie, I've known both borderlines and manic-depressives, I'm not diagnosing you based on issues with a partner whose case I must liken to yours.
    Non Servium 85 Replies
    • December 9, 2006
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  • I am not real sure why the person who responded back to what I know got so up set about. I also would be interested in his or her credentials to decide if you are or are not BPD. Like I said a GOOD doc who understands both BPD and Bi-polar disorders are your best bet for a correct diagnosis. They are VERY similar. After all the actual problem originates in the same mechanics of the brain. Yes. it has been proven in MANY studies that BPD is a condition of early childhood inconsistancies in parenting. This guy thinks he is a early childhood specialist? It is also genetic, many BPD patients have a family history of mental illness, often bi-polar disorder. So my friend who had to bash my intelligent and research based response what are your credentials?? Hang in there Emily! Listen to your psychiatrist if they are helping and find yourself a good therapist. This is fixable:)
    kar506 4 Replies
    • December 10, 2006
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  • I am not real sure why the person who responded back to what I know got so up set about. I also would be interested in his or her credentials to decide if you are or are not BPD. I call you a doctor-worshipper and you ask for my credentials. Oh that is priceless. Thank you for proving my point all the more. Here is a newsflash, hon, this forum you are posting on is the "Wrong diagnosis forum." It is full of people who got wrong diagnoses which screwed up their lives, and every one of those wrong diagnosis I'm sure was from a credentialled "expert." The whole point of this fourm is to provide an alternative venue to share knowledge amongst ourselves, apart from Docs who generally have their head up their rears. So, perhaps that should clear up why your mindless cheerleading for the doctors was "upsetting" to me. As for my credentials, I assure you they reach far behind your claim to fame of babysitting short bus kids and boinking a partner who has BPD. Not that credentials even mean anything here, since logically truth is indepedent of the source. If you're such a whiz at psychology why was your partner misdiagnosed for so long? Like I said a GOOD doc who understands both BPD and Bi-polar disorders are your best bet for a correct diagnosis. This is not at all what you said in your first post. Without even knowing her doctors you just declared she should listen to them and agree with them because they "know what they're talking about." They are VERY similar. After all the actual problem originates in the same mechanics of the brain. The mind is distinct from the brain. The belief you're extolling here is called Biological Determinism and its been torn apart is many books which are probably beyond your level. If it is all in the brain then why is it that some hydrocephalics, who are born with basically half their brain crushed, are able to function normally? For that matter, why are some dogs with tiny heads and thus brains, far smarter than some larger breeds with brains 10 times as big? I could go on but I doubt you're up to the philosophical argument. Yes. it has been proven in MANY studies that BPD is a condition of early childhood inconsistancies in parenting. This guy thinks he is a early childhood specialist? In a study, corrolation does not prove cause. A third factor could be responsible for both factors studied. There are many other ways the studies could be off. But these points are mute because it is ridiculous to even claim that every psychologist needs to be an early childhood development specialist, which is basically what you're saying. Its also quite obvious why you'd want to sneak that assumption in, being that childhood is your particular career specialty. Emily is an adult. As for inconsistencies in parenting, about half the kids in america suffer from those, and they do not all turn out to have BPD now do they? What you are rehashing is obsolete Fruedian psychology baloney that theoriezes everything comes from childhood. Before you swallow those theories you might want to consider that Freud also reocmmended removing women's Uterus because he thought a uterus could cause "hysteria" and he also thought paralyzed limbs were caused by mental disorders whereas today 99.999% of paralyzed limbs are known to be medical but not mental health issues. Basically, Fruedian psychology is crap, but its exactly what I'd expect from someone like yourself. I'd wager you're one of those "nice" teachers who blames the parents for everything and has their kids carted off to foster care at the drop of a hat, where they get screwed up ten times worse. It is also genetic, many BPD patients have a family history of mental illness, often bi-polar disorder. So my friend who had to bash my intelligent and research based response what are your credentials?? So now you're a geneticist too I guess? Gee, maybe Emily should have her DNA altered, at least according to you. DNA, Parents, hmmm ... tell me do you leave ANY room at all in your theories for the free will or even personality of the patient? You might as well just shrug and declare everything determined by "fate." Ok, now I'm really done with this thread, although I'm sure you have some inane comments to get in as parting shots along with more "Oh gosh golly who is this ghost-like 'other' who keeps getting upset with me?" Sorry, but you sound like you already are on high doses of medication yourself and your pet theories are nothing I haven't seen in dozens of morbidly obese social workers and others lower rung mental health establishment trolls and parasities, who also worship the shrinks, and who can barely deal with the kids they are in charge of let alone speak on diagnosing adults.
    Non Servium 85 Replies
    • December 10, 2006
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  • I am not real sure why the person who responded back to what I know got so up set about. I also would be interested in his or her credentials to decide if you are or are not BPD. Like I said a GOOD doc who understands both BPD and Bi-polar disorders are your best bet for a correct diagnosis. They are VERY similar. After all the actual problem originates in the same mechanics of the brain. Yes. it has been proven in MANY studies that BPD is a condition of early childhood inconsistancies in parenting. This guy thinks he is a early childhood specialist? It is also genetic, many BPD patients have a family history of mental illness, often bi-polar disorder. So my friend who had to bash my intelligent and research based response what are your credentials?? Hang in there Emily! Listen to your psychiatrist if they are helping and find yourself a good therapist. This is fixable:)Thanks for your reply, and yes u are quite correct with the eating disorder, i do swing from im not going to eat to binge eating, and yes we do have a family history of mental illness. As i mentioned my cousin is schizophrenic and my mother had moods swings and also my grandmother was severe and made my mum and family lives a living ***l, she was never diagnosed, and it was my grandmother who brought my cousin up, who is now the schizophrenic and canot live alone he lives in a supported household with carers. I have another cousin who is also under therapists and has terrible mood swings and temper tantrums. I do feel that I am overlooked alot of the time as the doctors do not know what to do with me, it is so easy to say you have depression and be given antidepressants, but both you and I know that they dont work. The antidepressants can stop me being quite so angressive but absolutley nothing else. I actually get angry as I have been trying for 12 years to get someone to say to me look I think this is more than depression. I do fear social surroundings, I hate the way i look and feel I am always going to be judged, I hate to go anywhere on my own. A quote from my mother when i Was a child " why do you always have to bring a friend with us on our days out cant you go anywhere on your own" I always accuse my husband of not loving me or not caring and to be honest if I look at all my relationships he has been so caring and loving. Everything in our relationship is black or white and no inbetween. My husband does find this hard " its one rule for you and another for me" I am terrible at judging him. I have stopped all his own time activitiys in one way or another I have tantrums, the thought of being on my own is just a no no, I get so worked up to the stage if it is planned in advance I dont even sleeep worrying about being on my own. Yes omg I do hear my mother telling me off when I am doing something I think maybe she wouldnt approve of or if i make a decision on my own, my mother is dead!! I also hear a room full of people and cant switch it off when i am in bed on my own I sit with my hands over my ears how sad is that, and it is when i am severly stressed. When I am severly stressed I also cant concentrate on one noise , if my husband talks to me every noise drowns his voice out to the extreme I shout I cant hear u, turn everything off. I am glad that someone understands how i feel as sometimes after seeing a doctor I come away and think well nothing has been done again, try this med this time it might work. How long do people like me have to live this horrible existance. I love my family so much but know in one way or another i will destroy it, as well as maybe making my kids depressed in later life. I have more appointments with a phyciatry team in January maybe somewhere along the line I will get a therapist who actually says yes there is something more and not fob me off. Thanks for listening and taking the time to reply it is valuable to people like me who doesnt get answers. tc xx
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  • I am not real sure why the person who responded back to what I know got so up set about. I also would be interested in his or her credentials to decide if you are or are not BPD. I call you a doctor-worshipper and you ask for my credentials. Oh that is priceless. Thank you for proving my point all the more. Here is a newsflash, hon, this forum you are posting on is the "Wrong diagnosis forum." It is full of people who got wrong diagnoses which screwed up their lives, and every one of those wrong diagnosis I'm sure was from a credentialled "expert." The whole point of this fourm is to provide an alternative venue to share knowledge amongst ourselves, apart from Docs who generally have their head up their rears. So, perhaps that should clear up why your mindless cheerleading for the doctors was "upsetting" to me. As for my credentials, I assure you they reach far behind your claim to fame of babysitting short bus kids and boinking a partner who has BPD. Not that credentials even mean anything here, since logically truth is indepedent of the source. If you're such a whiz at psychology why was your partner misdiagnosed for so long? Like I said a GOOD doc who understands both BPD and Bi-polar disorders are your best bet for a correct diagnosis. This is not at all what you said in your first post. Without even knowing her doctors you just declared she should listen to them and agree with them because they "know what they're talking about." They are VERY similar. After all the actual problem originates in the same mechanics of the brain. The mind is distinct from the brain. The belief you're extolling here is called Biological Determinism and its been torn apart is many books which are probably beyond your level. If it is all in the brain then why is it that some hydrocephalics, who are born with basically half their brain crushed, are able to function normally? For that matter, why are some dogs with tiny heads and thus brains, far smarter than some larger breeds with brains 10 times as big? I could go on but I doubt you're up to the philosophical argument. Yes. it has been proven in MANY studies that BPD is a condition of early childhood inconsistancies in parenting. This guy thinks he is a early childhood specialist? In a study, corrolation does not prove cause. A third factor could be responsible for both factors studied. There are many other ways the studies could be off. But these points are mute because it is ridiculous to even claim that every psychologist needs to be an early childhood development specialist, which is basically what you're saying. Its also quite obvious why you'd want to sneak that assumption in, being that childhood is your particular career specialty. Emily is an adult. As for inconsistencies in parenting, about half the kids in america suffer from those, and they do not all turn out to have BPD now do they? What you are rehashing is obsolete Fruedian psychology baloney that theoriezes everything comes from childhood. Before you swallow those theories you might want to consider that Freud also reocmmended removing women's Uterus because he thought a uterus could cause "hysteria" and he also thought paralyzed limbs were caused by mental disorders whereas today 99.999% of paralyzed limbs are known to be medical but not mental health issues. Basically, Fruedian psychology is crap, but its exactly what I'd expect from someone like yourself. I'd wager you're one of those "nice" teachers who blames the parents for everything and has their kids carted off to foster care at the drop of a hat, where they get screwed up ten times worse. It is also genetic, many BPD patients have a family history of mental illness, often bi-polar disorder. So my friend who had to bash my intelligent and research based response what are your credentials?? So now you're a geneticist too I guess? Gee, maybe Emily should have her DNA altered, at least according to you. DNA, Parents, hmmm ... tell me do you leave ANY room at all in your theories for the free will or even personality of the patient? You might as well just shrug and declare everything determined by "fate." Ok, now I'm really done with this thread, although I'm sure you have some inane comments to get in as parting shots along with more "Oh gosh golly who is this ghost-like 'other' who keeps getting upset with me?" Sorry, but you sound like you already are on high doses of medication yourself and your pet theories are nothing I haven't seen in dozens of morbidly obese social workers and others lower rung mental health establishment trolls and parasities, who also worship the shrinks, and who can barely deal with the kids they are in charge of let alone speak on diagnosing adults.I am so sorry this thread has made you angry, I do look at all the thread replies I get and do value your advice, as you say the doctors do make money off of us. But as you can imagine this has been going on for 12 years for me and is getting worse so all replies will be valued, and looked at with an open mind, I am not always the best person to judge but alot of your reply did make sense to me, and I do agree that you can have all symptoms of a illness but not have it. I am at the phychologists again in January so I will post my phycologists opinion to see how I will probably be fobbed off again. TC x
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  • I agree with your Doc's. You are BPD not bi-polar. Bi-polar mood swings go on for days, either very high or manic or very low and depressed. You swing back and forth way to fast for that. The other hint comes from your childhood BPD's usually have a parent with either a mental health problem or just plan old poor parenting skills. You see the world in black and white, or all or nothing. Explains your mood swings. You need to learn to get in the middle, or in the gray area. What I recommend is you find a psychatrist and a therapist that really understands BPD it is curable with hard work! You can do it! Read the book "I hate you, don't leave me and see if you fit! Good Luck:) She very well COULD be bipolar. Bipolars can have very wide mood swing within a day or* have mixed moods; both hypomanic and depressed at the same time. Being bipolar myself, (but not a doc) she sounds bipolar to me. JMO
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  • thank you for you replies, I am still struggling on and finally have another appointment with the mental health team in march. I am hoping I get some more answers will keep you all informed you have been a great and informative help tc xxxxx
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  • beware of psychiatrists who quickly point to a mental condition without first exhausting all physical conditions that might be the root of the problem.I had a heck of a time as a teen because of psychiatrists who tried to treat my depression and ADHD (predominantly inattentive), thinking that they were both linked to each other, and both purely mental. The meds they gave me only made the depression worse. No one bothered to figure it out, till I was 21 years old...And my current doc, bless her for being so attentive, caring, and open-minded, did a single blood test on me... and found out my thyroid was "sluggish". This sluggish thyroid was causing my depression. Not the ADHD, which is still present, but the depression alone was connected to my *thyroid* and not anything purely mental. I'm on thyroid supplements, and have not had a single bout of depression since (I'm almost 27 at this point). So... *exhaust* all possible non-brain-related physical causes first. Seriously. Especially if they're going to try to put you on meds, or meds they have you on aren't working right.
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  • I agree with your Doc's. You are BPD not bi-polar. Bi-polar mood swings go on for days, either very high or manic or very low and depressed. You swing back and forth way to fast for that. The other hint comes from your childhood BPD's usually have a parent with either a mental health problem or just plan old poor parenting skills. You see the world in black and white, or all or nothing. Explains your mood swings. You need to learn to get in the middle, or in the gray area. What I recommend is you find a psychatrist and a therapist that really understands BPD it is curable with hard work! You can do it! Read the book "I hate you, don't leave me and see if you fit! Good Luck:)So not true. Have a bi-polar stepchild and the mood swings can cycle very rapidly. The length of the swings has absolutely nothing to do with whether it is bi-polar or not.
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  • One thing i noticed is that you are co-dependant.. umm if im remembering correctly i think there is an actual personality disorder for that. That is separate to whatever else is wrong here. I myself have been diagnosed with several different mental health conditions.. one of those being SEVERE borderline personality disorder so Im very familiar with it. I also have Asperger's and premenstral dysphoric disorder. One thing which made me think that you may not have borderline personality disorder (or if you do.. have it actually WITH yet another disorder) is that you didnt mention much about the mood swings being triggered. Borderline Personality Disorder mood swings ARE TRIGGERED OFF by events mood swings and dont just happen out of the blue!!! Something will always upset you and cause the mood shift with Borderline. It is in the persons personality to think then act a certain way in certain situations Where as Bipolar disorder mood swings and other mental health issues may happen out of the blue... these are caused by a chemical imbalance happening. From one of your after the original posts.. I did then start to actually wonder if you may have BOTH bipolar and borderline. Borderline personality disorder often coexists with other mental health issues eg depression, or Bipolar etc. Or maybe you actually have something Completely different such as Asperger's syndrome (and hence why being reliant on another and overwhemling so easily). You dont show enough Asperger's symptoms thou for me to really think that (but who knows what a proper assessment would show up). I'll address certain things you said in your post. I have constant and severe mood swings every day and for no apparent reason i swing completly That does not at all sound like borderline.. you dont even know why your mood swung so it dont seem to be any kind of triggered off by an event mood swing. Also with BPD.. severe mood swings daily wouldnt be common (unless the person was in some kind of life crisis they were trying to deal with). I am always tired i mean to the degree i dont get dressed or do anything unless it is pre planned and even then i never feel like going. That sounds like depression (or could be to do with your thyroid. Are you aware that thyriod issues may also cause mood swings). I hate going anywhere alone to the degree i will not go i will wait for my husband to come home or go, but on the odd occasion i have gone when my mood is in high spirits Sounds like co-dependancy. possibily Bipolar high causing you then to go out when you usualy otherwise wouldnt do so. I cant work as when i do i am terrible to live with I scream and shout, cry constantly and shake, I even loose my hair with worry. I always end up leaving my job. all kinds of mental health issues may cause. Sounds like this overwhelms you. (those with Asperger's may be like this too). Noise bothers me severly when i am angry and moody i have to go to a quiet room or i just want to run away to get away from it all. Noise sensitivity is common in those with Asperger's.. along with those reactions. I have had suicidal thoughts and even took an overdose. Bipolar, depression or borderline I am so forgetful its ridiculous, and gets me in trouble alot with bll paying and appointments This IS NOT a borderline thing. Memory issues may be part of Depression, bipolar, Asperger's one of my cousins has schitzaphrenia (cant spell it) Asperger's is at times misdiagnosed as schizophrenia. The symptom of wanting to stay at home and not deal with the world is also the depression phase of manic depresson. Borderline Personalities will claim the same feeling, but in my experience they spend more time explaining that feeling to others for attention than they do actually feeling it. That above quote was from Non Servium.. shows he/she dont has some kind of screwed up judgement on borderlines. Not all borderlines do attention seek, that is one of the many myths out there about borderlines. If a borderline says they are having trouble dealing, believe me they are really having trouble dealing. Borderlines feel emotions very intensively (ive read it to be up to 8 times stronger than a normal person does).
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  • The other hint comes from your childhood BPD's usually have a parent with either a mental health problem or just plan old poor parenting skills. Feeling like im back in the dark ages.. that myth was discounted some time ago. Borderline personality disorder is nothing to do with the way a child was parented. Many many years ago, before they knew much about it, yeah they did used to blame parenting... but this isnt thought to be the cause of BPD anymore
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  • BPD swings are more minor like yours often set off by stress because you never learned how to deal with it when you were young. Your angry outbursts are that little child inside of you having a grown-up temper tantrum. BPD is nothing to do with not learning how to deal with stress when young. It is more the case of the person feeling the emotions far more than a normal person does... Having a heightened emotional state. My state can get so heightened that i actually dissociate (loose awareness) and hallicinate due to the Borderline. (its nothing to do with acting like a little kid.. its a horrid extreme emotional state).
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  • Like I said a GOOD doc who understands both BPD and Bi-polar disorders are your best bet for a correct diagnosis. They are VERY similar. After all the actual problem originates in the same mechanics of the brain. Listen to your psychiatrist if they are helping and find yourself a good therapist. This is fixable:) The problems in the brain are not similiar.. hence why Bipolar drugs arent used for borderline personality patients as they DONT WORK for them!! I know that studies have shown that those with borderline, have low blood flow in certain parts of their brain (i dont know if bipolar has that or not.. i havent heard of it in bipolar). Bipolar is FAR EASIER to treat being a chemical issue.. than treating borderline (due to borderline being personality issue and part of who the person is). Many with borderline.. arent at all fixable.. myself included (ive had a lot of therapy.. DBT etc). Some do get a lot of help with DBT or similar psychotherapy but many dont.
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