Discussions By Condition: Mental conditions

ADHD MEDICATION DEXEDRINE Worried

Posted In: Mental conditions 13 Replies
  • Posted By: Anonymous
  • October 9, 2006
  • 07:52 PM

Hello I have eight year old daughter with ADHD & Other Disabilities. Our small family resides in Alberta Canada.
At the age of five my daughter was put on Dexedrine 10mg once and day then two months later 15 mg then a year later 20 mg once a day then a year and half later 30 mg once a day. Ever since my daughter was put on this medication I noticed a huge differance in her behaviours she is more aggressive, then ever. so at the age 5 1/2 her doctor put her on 0.50 mg once a day of respardal to help with the mood swings and aggression. as they keep on incressing the dexedrine. We all we notice a huge change in her. It was to the point that she was seeing and hearing things arent there. she has a fake friend that is telling her to be mean to her parents and to harm us .. put us six feet under. our daughter never acted on it. We have taken her in for mental health assestment. they said there is no mental health issues. and we had all the right supports in place. now with the incress of dexedrine to 30 mg once a day. our daughter told us two weeks after taking the drug she is wanting to harm her self. her head aches have incressed and her sleep well not good she keeps on waking up every hour to hour and half. she still hear things arent ther and she is not her self. Even this past friday. at parent teachers interviews her teachers and school director was worried about her. she isnt her self in school. she has openly amited to harming her self to the school director and the teachers said that she is showing signs of depression. We took our daughter to family doctor to express our consurns about every thing and he said for us to wait to see the developmental clinic for med review and the same thing when we spoke with her PED'S doctor. So our family doctor put our daughter on Xanax 0.25 mg once a day at bed time to help her ***m down and help her sleep.

For years I was balmed for way my daughter acted. Now as I read on health canada web site for the black box warning. I wonder If its been dexedrine all a long. Has any one notice any of these side effects with there kids or them selfs.

Your imput would be greatful.

Thanks
SUPPORTSERVICES@SHAW.CA

Reply Flag this Discussion

13 Replies:

  • Hi, I am no expert on drugs but then from my experience nobody is. Doctors play authoratitive roles in our lives, and I'm sure they try their best, but they follow advice. In this advice, especially when it comes to mental problems, a lot of it is based on experiments by others, who are playing a guessing game. There is theory, followed by experimentation, followed by evidence-based results leading to recommendations. The idea is always to get some convenient drug that sorts out the problem. Sometimes it works, and there is a "remedy", but on the whole it is still very much all experimentation. Regarding your Dexedrine worry, have a look at the Wikipedia stuff on it. It says:"There is a widespread myth that, while Dexedrine acts as stimulant in people without ADHD, it causes the opposite reaction in those with the condition. This may have arisen due to a misconception that the drug is a sedative for hyper-active schoolchildren. Rather than true sedation, this is a result of increased mental alertness aiding the user in focusing on a given task for extended periods of time."Look at - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DextroamphetamineWikipedia is rapidly becoming an authority on many things, stating fact (as far as possible) rather than fiction. What they are saying is that observations have caused doctors to believe that with the ADHD person the drug makes them more calm, but in fact it simply helps the ADHD concentrate better, that gives the impression that they are calm. In practice, depending on the individual, it could make them worse than they are now, creating hallucinations, and so on.Instead of getting your doctor's advice on everything with your child, why don't you do your own research on the internet? Look for self-help groups, especially, and investigate other ways of helping your child. Here are a couple of links I found:http://www.dorecentres.co.uk/http://premium.netdoktor.com/uk/adhd/support/index.jspThere are usually other ways to look at this kind of problem rather than resorting to the doctor who more often than not will prescribe mind-altering drugs, but it depends on you to make it happen, rather than the doctor. Take the initiative, my heart is with you, and I wish you the very best.Greg
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 9, 2006
    • 10:48 PM
    • 0
    Flag this Response
  • woah they've put her on alot of that stuff. i'm 17 at 105lbs and i only take 15 mgs a day of dexedrine and i still experience some side effects like trouble getting to sleep in stuff. my advise would be to take her off the meds gradually and get a new pediatric neurologist. seriously. you might even want to get a 2nd and 3rd opinion. i'm really surprised she's been put on meds at such a young age. i've read and always assumed that add or any psycological/neurological diagnosis can't even be made untill the age of seven. if you're unhappy with those meds you should really express that to your dr. it's your choice of whether or not she goes on meds and what she should take. it should be a collabaration between you and the dr. please get more opinions. i'm kinda worried.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • February 3, 2007
    • 01:30 AM
    • 0
    Flag this Response
  • A kid that young really shouldn't be on such a strong ADD medication such as Dexedrine. She should be on ritalin, And doses shouldn't be increased to such levels. 30mg a day can cause psycosis in a person with such little body weight and age. Dexedrine is not mean't to be a permanent treatment. It should be used over a period of time, and then stopped. And then started again a month later to lower the persons tolerance to it. Or else the tolerance will just keep going up forever.I would advise you to stop that medication for a while, before it causes mental damage.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • August 10, 2007
    • 06:13 AM
    • 0
    Flag this Response
  • Your daughter is definately on far too many ml for her age and weight. Its no wonder she is having problems. My son was on Ritalin for years and it did wonders for him. They decided to change his meds to Dex and he experienced the same symptoms as your daughter. We took him off the Dex and put him back on Ritalin and the symptoms went away. There are many newer type medications available today in Canada with less side affects. One is Adderal...the other is Concerta. I would suggest that your family Dr try a different medication. As EvErCat
    kitcat48 80 Replies
    • August 11, 2007
    • 01:05 PM
    • 0
    Flag this Response
  • ADHD medications increase dopamine in the brain- and guess which neurotransmitter causes Schizophrenia? ... Dopamine- too much in certain areas of the brain cause psychosis. So, basically, they made your daughter psychotic. She should not be taking those. If you want to see what stimulants do to people, look at the before and after photos of persons who have used crystal methamphetamine. We are feeding our kids amphetmines which are probably causing growth stunting and premature aging, as well as a whole wealth of other health problems that we do not know about yet because not enough longitudinal research studies are available.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies Flag this Response
  • (THEY AREN'T CALLED "DEXIES MIDNIGHT RUNNERS" WITHOUT GOOD REASON: MANY USERS GO ON TO BECOME USERS OF STREET DRUGS!) ~~~ The following from www.drugs.com: Most important fact about Dexedrine: Because it is a stimulant, Dexedrine has high abuse potential. The stimulant effect may give way to a letdown period of depression and fatigue. Although the letdown can be relieved by taking another dose, this soon becomes a vicious circle.If you habitually take Dexedrine in doses higher than recommended, or if you take it over a long period of time, you may eventually become dependent on the drug and suffer from withdrawal symptoms when it is unavailable. What side effects may occur?Side effects cannot be anticipated. If any develop or change in intensity, inform your doctor as soon as possible. Only your doctor can determine if it is safe for you to continue taking Dexedrine.More common side effects may include:Excessive restlessness, overstimulationEffects of chronic heavy abuse of Dexedrine may include:Hyperactivity, irritability, personality changes, schizophrenia-like thoughts and behavior, severe insomnia, severe skin disease ~~~~~~~~~ View www.drugs.com on RISPERDAL as well. First, they give you one drug which creates adverse effects, then they give you another potentially dangerous medication, which can cause permanent effects! I strongly suggest that you wean her off both the above, very slowly and with medical advice, preferably from another doctor. Avoid powerful Central Nervous System stimulants. If you really must (and I don't believe you need this) then Ritalin is the pick of a bad bunch, but check out http://www.askapatient.com & http://crazymeds.us & www.psychforums.com Consult a p(a)ediatrician, or developmental psychologist. ~~~ See sections 22 - 25, on AD(H)D at http://www.ezy-build.net.nz/~shaneris
    shaneris 46 Replies Flag this Response
  • I am not yet a doctor. However, I have ample experience and knowledge regarding a number of medications. I happen to have taken dexerine in the past, and I know first hand how powerful that medication is. If your daughter was experiencing those symptoms, instead of adding other medications to help calm her down, she needs to be placed on a reduced dose of dexedrine, if not ultimately weened off entirely.I am 19, and if I were to take 15mg, I wouldn't even consider allowing myself to take that dose daily. That's a high dosage. In fact, I don't even think that any higher dose should exist. For a child at such a young age, A starting dose of 5mg would be ideal, and if taken daily, 10mg should be more than enough. 15mg daily dose should be a last resort, and should definitely be the limit on daily dosage.I don't know if your doctors have gone over this with you, but what they are prescribing your child is "speed". Although dextroamphetamine is a less powerful variety to street methamphetamine ("meth"), it produces extremely similar effects, just to a far lesser degree. However, such a high dose as they are prescribing your daughter is likely comparable to low-moderate doses of "meth".Now, that being said, LOW doses of amphetamine most definitely can prove to be quite beneficial to performance. But the higher the dose, the more likely the chance of physical addiction, psychological addiction, and adverse side-effects.DO NOT ABRUPTLY DISCONTINUE TREATMENT!! Doing so could result in extreme withdrawl symptoms that you'd most definitely like to avoid.Ideally, just slowly decrease the dose consumed until the negative symptoms you're concerned about disappear. I highly suggest reminding your doctor of the immense power of amphetamines, and that he should be more careful when prescribing doages, and that he should prescribe lower dosages in the future, especially for a child.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • November 22, 2008
    • 04:32 PM
    • 0
    Flag this Response
  • There's a lot of misinformation on this site about Dexedrine. I think the seven year old girl is taking too much Dexedrine a day. I took 10mg a day (a 5mg tablet in the morning and another at noon) when I was in my mid-30s, and it was plenty. But Dexedrine taken as prescribed for ADHD may be chemically related to methamphetamine, but there the similarity ends. When I take a 15mg spansule dose of Dexedrine in the morning, it's a time release formulation. I'm metabolizing no more than 3 or 4 mg per hour. The meth abuser is taking a drug manufactured in an illegal lab, often impure, and most smoke it or shoot it, though some snort it. The typical amount of the drug used in smoking it is about 100mg. Smoking it instantly delivers a huge wallop to the reward centers in the brain. The meth user experiences euphoria. Those who inject by needle need about 500mg to prepare a typical amount for their syringe. This delivery method may provide an even quicker and heavier hit to brain's reward centers. The cautionary information that accompanies the drug informs you that it can be addictive and abrupt withdrawals are dangerous. This is a legacy from the 60's, when amphetamine pills were abundant and could be cooked, or prepared for injection. It was during this period that the drug really got a bad rap. Several longitudinal studies that began with middle school kids who took stimulants found that taking them didn't lead to substance abuse problems later, but in fact tended to act as a prophylactic against later illegal stimulent abuse. I don't get high from the Dexedrine I take and suffer no ill effects if I don't have the drug for a month or so. Even so, it does raise my blood pressure a little bit, it is a powerful drug, and I'm looking forward to the time, soon, when I can do without it. Right now, it's the lesser of evils.
    bearhugs 8 Replies
    • August 16, 2009
    • 04:17 PM
    • 0
    Flag this Response
  • I have been taking Dexedrine now for close to 15 years. Started on Ritalin and moved to Dexedrine. For the most part 30mg worked really great for me. The past three years or so Dexedrine has not been that effective. I increased dosage to 40mg and now 45mg a day. I don't know if it is the medicine but all textbook ADHD symptoms are back more than ever. Brain fog, lost word, can't speak, thinking is shot, double reading, lost thoughts and concentration, and a 2 min attention span. I seem to be traveling in the opposite direction from where Dexedrine use to take me. I don't know if this is due to the long term effects of taking a strong stimulant. Read all studies on the ADHD/ADD medications, and check the longterm effects. In my life I had other things wrong with me. At the age of 12 it started out just being attention, concentration, mood and my grades and relationships which got better after taking stimulant medication. When I didn't take the medication I would notice all symptoms. Years later I started getting; popping joints; muscle tremors all over; eye lid muscle spasms; dry skin; flaky skin around and under eye lid; muscle soreness; weight gain; acne at 27 years old; memory problems worse than ever; heart palpitations; dandruff. I should be at my prime. I started researching symptoms and found out that my family has thyroid problems which they take medication for. ADD/ADHD is sometimes misdiagnosed with thyroid problems. I had blood work done two days ago and I am waiting for the news. I understand my parents didn't know what to do with me when I was a kid. What if this whole time my body just was not receiving the proper chemicals and that is why I have all these problems and ADD/ADHD symptoms. Do the research before children take this medication. In the begining they might seem to improve as such as I did. These medications might effect there brain on many levels that can be long lasting. I had to deal with so many things because of my malfunctioning brain. Life was hard for me. I have been in college now for 7 years and I am still working on my BA. All I can think is what if my parents did more research and I had the proper medicine for my health issue. My life could of been so better. I am not a doctor, only a 15 year user of Dexedrine. Research parents perspective, case studies, medication effects, substances that interact with the drug, health perspective, get blood work done to find out if heavy metals and allergies play a role, look at family health history, and get doctors opinions so you can have a better understanding of the negitive or positive effects of dexedrine and other ADD/HD medications. Your child might perform better if the proper diagnosis and treatment is given. Don't give up the answers are out there, and always love and encourage your child to do the best even when they are being difficult.Longterm user of Dexedrine
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • November 15, 2009
    • 03:07 PM
    • 0
    Flag this Response
  • woah they've put her on alot of that stuff. i'm 17 at 105lbs and i only take 15 mgs a day of dexedrine and i still experience some side effects like trouble getting to sleep in stuff. my advise would be to take her off the meds gradually and get a new pediatric neurologist. seriously. you might even want to get a 2nd and 3rd opinion. i'm really surprised she's been put on meds at such a young age. i've read and always assumed that add or any psycological/neurological diagnosis can't even be made untill the age of seven. if you're unhappy with those meds you should really express that to your dr. it's your choice of whether or not she goes on meds and what she should take. it should be a collabaration between you and the dr. please get more opinions. i'm kinda worried.I was diagnosed at 13 years of age and I too was being increased until results were seen I ended up at 30mg of dexedrine. At the age of 13 I did what my mother told me too. My parents wanted me on the medication more than I did. Yes there was improvements. Later on in life I started to have other problems, and my ADHD/ADD symptoms started coming back. I increased the dosage by 10mg. I added 5mg tablets to the mix and symptoms did not go away. I am 27 years old now and have problems finishing sentences, forgetfulness, lost thoughts, word searching, reading problems where sometimes I have to read slow or double. These problems initially started me thinking that something is really wrong with me. I should be at the prime of my life and Im not. I started researching more about my symptoms and family health issues and came up with a strong possibility of having thyroid issues. I had blood taken two days ago and have not received the results yet. I did what the doctor and my parents wanted me to do. My life might have been very different if I was properly diagnosed and treated. Start forming questions, research, patterns, symptoms even if they are not related to your brain. ADD/ADHD is often misdiagnosed with thyroid problems. All these years I have been telling everyone that i have a learning disability when I may just have a hormone imbalance. This is just an opinion and everyone is different.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • November 15, 2009
    • 06:03 PM
    • 0
    Flag this Response
  • Dexedrine has a terrible side effect for some kids. My daughter (now 40) was put on liquid dexedrine when she was age 2, and was going 72 hours with no sleep at all. Yes, it was a God-send then, as Ritalin and others had not been invented yet. However, when she was finally weaned from the Dex for other medications, she also started to put on small amounts of extra weight (which, quite honestly, was good, she was MUCH too thin). However, this evolved into anorexia/bulemia. By age 14, she was 5'4" tall, and was only 75 pounds. It took years of therapy, and she still struggles to fight the bulemia. She is now 5'7" tall, weighs 125, and wears a size 4. She PANICS if her size 4's get tight. She quit using the mirror, but uses photos to check her appearance, as they are more accurate in "her eyes". I'm not saying stimulants are not necessary; in fact, her lack of sleep was destroying our entire family before treatment. But I am saying use the smallest doseage possible, and use it only as long as absolutely necessary, while other alternative treatments are developed.Good luck!
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • February 15, 2010
    • 03:02 PM
    • 0
    Flag this Response
  • Complications of Crohn’s Disease

    Recognize the risks associated with Crohn’s disease.

    8 Surprising Facts About Cholesterol

    Did you know that one in six US adults has high cholesterol?

  • Your daughter is definately on far too many ml for her age and weight. Its no wonder she is having problems. My son was on Ritalin for years and it did wonders for him. They decided to change his meds to Dex and he experienced the same symptoms as your daughter. We took him off the Dex and put him back on Ritalin and the symptoms went away. There are many newer type medications available today in Canada with less side affects. One is Adderal...the other is Concerta. I would suggest that your family Dr try a different medication. As EvErCatas for the concerta my son was on it and it stopped his eating and they kept uping that and nothing then the adderal did the same thing. while taking these two meds his weight and health went down hill to the point of he weighed a total of 45 pounds at the age of 9 and that is far from healthy. he quit eating and wouldnt eat. so i would recommend something other than these two meds. they had him on anorexia pills to make him eat and those did nothing. they also had him on risperdal and depakote and vyvanse and nothing so there is something more there than adhd for my son but i would strongly recommend not putting your daughter on concerta or adderal. that is just my experience with them
    kvanhorn 1 Replies Flag this Response
  • there shouldnt be time limits anyway well reasonable time... Who gives a **** if a kid can do it in 30 minutes and another needs 90 minutes. university/college is ****ing stupid anyway. 90 of people wont apply anything they learned in their careers.
    neegideogmari 7 Replies Flag this Response
Thanks! A moderator will review your post and it will be live within the next 24 hours.