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I just got my diagnosis of PML.

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  • Posted By: neurotransmissing
  • April 21, 2009
  • 06:30 PM

Well, none of the doctors had the guts to tell me themselves so they dumped this task on my primary care provider. At least we have the answer so I, and my family, can rest in peace and not worry when illnesses or conditions pop up in the family tree in the future.

I have PML, and they selfishly wasted a month of the balance of my life by not telling me, knowing full well of my loss of function and necessity for hospice care and/or nursing home or similar.
http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/medical/pml.htm

Cause = JC Virus (could have come from one of many common childhood conditions; chickenpox, mumps, measles, staph infection, flu bugs ... and as I got older ... bronchitis, pneumonia, flu strep ... we can never know. But at least I have closure now and can begin making plans for what I am facing and tie up all the loose ends for care and get my affairs in order. Activated, most probably, upon administration of Copaxone injections and corticosteroids that followed ... when they 'thought' I had MS but failed to test for the JC Virus prior to treating me. Also, during that time, I was under extreme emotional stress (divorce proceedings) so I was quite depleted overall. All scripts since have also been wrong and have done nothing but worsen my condition; so now, I am on the right scripts and treatment plan to make the remainder of my life as comfortable and pain-free as possible.

Symptoms began in 1996, but the condition was never found; however, it was confirmed that whatever it was, it was not fatal. Sadly, it may have been treatable or even curable. However, upon the misdiagnosis and treatment of MS with the Copaxone, corticosteroids, and perhaps even all that emotional stress ... everything changed. That was in 2005.

I asked why I am still alive, if the JC Virus was activated way back in 2005, and it was explained to me that although it was activated ... it takes time for it to "evolve" or "manifest" or "mature" to the point of PML. The fatality rate is based upon the diagnosis ... so although a patient may have PML, until the progression is far enough along to diagnose ... it goes undetected. So the fatality rate, or life longetivity timeline, is based on when the diagnosis of PML is confirmed.

So my advice, for anyone that is thought to have Multiple Sclerosis or possible Multiple Sclerosis, or atypical Multiple Sclerosis (as in my case), make absolutely certain that they have checked you for the JC Virus. If you have it in your system, and they don't find it or know it's there, the treatments for Multiple Sclerosis may prove deadly. I understand this is rare, but it happened to me. Here I am. It is my understanding that 85% of the population carries the JC Virus dormant in their system; in rare cases, it reactivates and manifests into PML. Knowing of the JC Virus, and my case being rare, I may have still taken the Copaxone injections and the corticosteroids. However, I would not have until they confirmed that I have Multiple Sclerosis with absolution. They never really knew, I should not have had the treatments until there was more certainty ... especially with the JC Virus ... of which should have been tested for, and was not. Which was probably the key to the symptoms that started in 1996, to begin with ... or something else viral or something ... treatable, non-fatal ... and perhaps even curable.

It's too late now.

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  • Well, none of the doctors had the guts to tell me themselves so they dumped this task on my primary care provider. At least we have the answer so I, and my family, can rest in peace and not worry when illnesses or conditions pop up in the family tree in the future. I have PML, and they selfishly wasted a month of the balance of my life by not telling me, knowing full well of my loss of function and necessity for hospice care and/or nursing home or similar.http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/medical/pml.htm Cause = JC Virus (could have come from one of many common childhood conditions; chickenpox, mumps, measles, staph infection, flu bugs ... and as I got older ... bronchitis, pneumonia, flu strep ... we can never know. But at least I have closure now and can begin making plans for what I am facing and tie up all the loose ends for care and get my affairs in order. Activated, most probably, upon administration of Copaxone injections and corticosteroids that followed ... when they 'thought' I had MS but failed to test for the JC Virus prior to treating me. Also, during that time, I was under extreme emotional stress (divorce proceedings) so I was quite depleted overall. All scripts since have also been wrong and have done nothing but worsen my condition; so now, I am on the right scripts and treatment plan to make the remainder of my life as comfortable and pain-free as possible. Symptoms began in 1996, but the condition was never found; however, it was confirmed that whatever it was, it was not fatal. Sadly, it may have been treatable or even curable. However, upon the misdiagnosis and treatment of MS with the Copaxone, corticosteroids, and perhaps even all that emotional stress ... everything changed. That was in 2005. I asked why I am still alive, if the JC Virus was activated way back in 2005, and it was explained to me that although it was activated ... it takes time for it to "evolve" or "manifest" or "mature" to the point of PML. The fatality rate is based upon the diagnosis ... so although a patient may have PML, until the progression is far enough along to diagnose ... it goes undetected. So the fatality rate, or life longetivity timeline, is based on when the diagnosis of PML is confirmed. So my advice, for anyone that is thought to have Multiple Sclerosis or possible Multiple Sclerosis, or atypical Multiple Sclerosis (as in my case), make absolutely certain that they have checked you for the JC Virus. If you have it in your system, and they don't find it or know it's there, the treatments for Multiple Sclerosis may prove deadly. I understand this is rare, but it happened to me. Here I am. It is my understanding that 85% of the population carries the JC Virus dormant in their system; in rare cases, it reactivates and manifests into PML. Knowing of the JC Virus, and my case being rare, I may have still taken the Copaxone injections and the corticosteroids. However, I would not have until they confirmed that I have Multiple Sclerosis with absolution. They never really knew, I should not have had the treatments until there was more certainty ... especially with the JC Virus ... of which should have been tested for, and was not. Which was probably the key to the symptoms that started in 1996, to begin with ... or something else viral or something ... treatable, non-fatal ... and perhaps even curable. It's too late now.Hi neurotransmissing,I can't tell you how saddened I am to learn of your recent definitive diagnosis. The cowardice and callousness of the medical profession never cease to amaze me (I'm in the Nursing profession and you KNOW we nurses rarely exhibit either cowardice or callousness!). I whole heartedly agree and empathize with you regarding, and if you'll be so kind as to pardon me, the 2,000 pound "suck" pill that they've administered to you...one that's certainly a bitter pill to swallow.As you know a whole lot better than I, PML and Multiple Sclerosis share a number of commonalities. I have relatively no familiarity with PML, but more than I'd like to have with MS. I had a sister-in-law who succumbed to SLE in the 1980's...only a few months prior to HER sister succumbing to the ravages of MS.As best as I can determine you've been a contributor here on wrongdiagnosis.com for only a short time...as have I. I sincerely hope that you continue to reply to those in need as often as you physically can as you so obviously have much to offer.It's pretty clear that the time for ingenious meds, measures, and treatment modalities that will benefit you has fallen by the wayside. I guess the most that I have to offer you are my thoughts and prayers....and concern. Should there be anything you need...and think me capable of providing...just say the word.My thoughts and absolute best regards to you and any family who will share in this, the toughest time of your life, neurotransmissing.Hang tough...and be damned ornery! (Compliance is SO TOTALLY overrated!)John"And in The End, the Love you take is equal to the Love you make." - Lennon/McCartney, "The End", 1969
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  • JonMac, Thank you. Most upsetting to me is not the diagnosis or even the prognosis (I suspected as much, and have a very strong Christian bond and a lot of faith in my Creator), but the way it was "NOT" presented to me and I was not told forthright, even upon questioning ... I was left in the dark ... and a month was wasted. That month, I feel, belonged to me, my family, and those I'm close to. I realize that my providers probably did the best they could, being that there's a less than 1% chance of this happening; just happened to be me. I don't ask why me ... because we are all here, people ... so why not me; I'm sure others are hurting worse than I am and I wish I had more to give ... but I'm so sick, I just don't; only the board here. I'm not on a witchhunt, nor do I blame, only one point upsets me ... I just wish that when they did finally know, they would have just told me the truth, the whole truth, outright. It was wrong to do that ... not only to me, but to my family. I suspect they fear lawsuits, I can't say I blame them in the world we live in. Even so, fear or no fear, my beliefs have taught me to always own my poo ... meaning ... when I mess up, I must own up. Accountability ... I've let this all go and accept what is ahead ... inevitably, and without a doubt ... my faith has also taught me that if there is anything "crooked" to be judged or punished, it always is; if not in this life, in the next. That is all the closure I need. This life is only the beginning, based on my beliefs ... preparation and the time we are each given to choose; my choice has been made and I have lived up to it in full. God will not let me down, and if there are any "oppressors" or similar ... I do rest assured, He will handle it. Justice is always served, whether we see it here on earth in the flesh ... or later, with Him ... we WILL bear witness. Yes, I will continue to post; since 1996, the beginning of this mess ... I certainly feel I have a lot to offer (especially all I have learned about Multiple Sclerosis ... ruling it in, out, etc., etc.). Among so many others, secondary ... and experiences of others as well. So many conditions criss-cross ... for instance, I came to realize that people with MS shared a lot of similarities across the board (lupus, thyroid problems, etc.). I'm familiar with sleep disorders (namely, sleep apnea), Dermographism (write-on disease) and many others of/for which I was diagnosed ... or misdiagnosed with ... or had ruled out. God bless you, and thanks. Your ear, if I need to vent or whine, I will utilize, thank you for offering .... LOL .... if you don't mind (while I lose my mind). Still haven't lost my sense of humor!! And thanks so much for those prayers, those ARE the ticket! And likewise, you remain in mine; thank you. :D Thanks for listening to me ramble, suppose I am a "bit" nervous. LOL
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  • HiI wish you all the best. Your faith stands you in good stead.I am sure you are doing your own research and have probably found this article but if you have not it may well be relevant to your situation.http://seekingalpha.com/article/22702-genentech-biogen-elan-and-pml-diseaseBest wishes:cool:
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  • chrismia, Thank you for your post. Yes, this does apply. I didn't mention it in my initial post here, but I started injecting with Rebif (interferon) first. Then came Copaxone and then IV corticosteroids and tapering down with Prednisone. I was already immunocompromised having Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, ordinary cold sores whenever I ran a fever (Herpes Simplex), extreme emotional and physical stressors, chronic fatigue; and just prior to the onset of initial symptoms in 1996 ...flus, bronchitis (1993), and pneumonia (1994); sleep apnea and others (circadian rhythm, sleep-wake cycles very disturbed), 2002, so I suffered from sleep deprivation as well. Yes, something underlies all of this ... but exhaustive tests came up with nothing; now I have the PML and we may never know why. In 2003, leukemias looked likely ... but I tested clear; perhaps that has since changed being now MOST immunocompromised (my lymph nodes are very swollen throughout my body, we are still looking at those further), I don't know; we are still looking at it all, perhaps it's a side-effect (JC Viral/PML). We may never know the initial condition that led to the mis-diagnosis of Multiple Sclerosis (2003) ... but at the time, it was confirmed that it was not fatal and did not appear to be progressive; hence, it was thought to be relapsing-remitting MS. Now we see it was something else entirely, perhaps completely treatable and curable ... we'll may never know what's at the "core" of what began this terrible ongoing "phenomena" that continued, but did stop worsening. In 2005, six months into injection therapy with Rebif for MS, I got hit, then came the corticosteroids and Prednisone twice, then the reaction from Rebif and switch to Copaxone (total treatment for MS = 2 years) ... that was the beginning of the end; that much, we do know. Seizures began in 2003, treating the MS. I was removed from the MS treatments/therapies and received scripts for symptoms ... some meds worked, some do not, some work for awhile and then "rebound" ... this remains the case. I have yet to find a med that works consistently without stopping relief altogether or rebounding, leaving me in an even worse state. The longest I've taken any med with success is the one (of many) that I am now on, Clonazapam (generic for Klonopin) and the seizures have stopped entirely. I find this strange, having been through the stronger and more effective meds for convulsive epileptic-type seizures (also in 2005, I had to be carted away by ambulance in two instances with seizures status epilepticus, recurrent seizures). After, a couple times, there were more than one at times ... but never like that; eventually, they dissipated and I have not had a seizure for nearly two years. More in 2005, heart murmurs and high blood pressure; this came and went (wore the holter best for 24 hours, EKG, etc.) ... when I had it, I took Lisinopril; now it's just here and there ... and by the time the med comes from the pharmacy, it's stable again. So it's pointless to keep taking it when it just jolts on occasion and then goes right back to normal, the med is worse than the condition sort of thing ... I suppose they concluded. The murmur was confirmed to be harmless ... who knows. Most "phenomena" has ceased and most ailing at this time is the PAIN, overall flu-like achiness and headaches with pain centered in joints and my back; secondly, extreme weakness; and lastly, fatigue so bad I sleep almost constantly ... around the clock. Too tired and too weak to function. This is maximum function, right here. Sad but true, and I'll sleep for hours after I log off. Eating is quite a task, my jaw is so achey and tired I can hardly chew, and swallowing is difficult (soft food and liquid is about all I can manage most times) ... so there's no weight problem, I have no interest in food or in eating, I force it. I'm forgetful, but don't have total memory loss yet (I don't think, would I know? LOL). Seems I can't remember something, but later I will; or sometimes if someone provides more detail, I remember then. Speech is a big problem, stuttering, slurring, loss of words (can't find words, recall) ... which isn't nearly as big a problem in writing (perhaps because I can take my time). Walking ... the weakness is awful, my legs feel like they can't hold me up; I bump into things, sway ... like I'm very intoxicated. My eyesight is very poor; reading glasses, two strengths, a magnifying glass, and page magnifyer; the eyes are ever-changing, always switching glasses and so forth. Without visual aids, everything is a blur; this is very unpredictable and comes and goes at whim ... just never know, so I always have my visual aids handy and switch them around often. Sitting and reading a book, or the paper, or anything, has become so trying I don't spend much time on things like that anymore ... the strain just seems to make them worse so I "save them" and prioritize my viewing.
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  • Hi NMThank you for your reply. Your wisdom elevates us all and hopefully teaches us. Your ability to accept is very brave. Perhaps why this is why God has chosen to meet you earlier than some of the rest of us. I also believe that this life is only a beginning. You are obviously very intelligent and I have enjoyed reading your posts. You will be in mine and probably many other peoples prayers.Best wishes to you and your family.
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  • Thanks again. Also, I remember more ... so I'm cramming all the information I can in my posts ... for everyone. I wanted to say everything on one thread, but may lack that capability. Also, I have "lumps" on my body, mostly on my legs (the sides and back of thighs, my sides down into my hips) ... they come and go and then reappear in a different spot; some stay awhile, they rise and fall then finally leave; somewhere, in another thread, I mentioned two that were removed in the genital area (labia minora, two removed, total of three, one disappeared by itself and never reappeared) and found to be "non-specific" and "probably" cysts. Besides those, I had a very large and infiltrative tumor removed in the lacrimal gland (main tear-producing gland in the crease, upper lid) of my right eye; with that tumor removal, much of the gland itself had to be removed as well. Initially, they truly believed that this was a sarcoid tumor (so much certainty there, three physicians) and that could have concluded the white matter brain problems as well, as neurosarcoidosis; however, immediately upon removal of the tumor ... it was taken to the lab. The findings were that it was a tumor, it was infiltrative (invasive and destructive to surrounding bone/tissue had it been left) but non-cancerous; it was very hard ... but the final conclusion was also "non-specific" in origin/nature. Following the removal of the tumor and the gland ... my eye is just fine; what I am experiencing with the eyes is now purely neurological ... but I thought that this "lump" problem I'm having may be of significance with the dx of PML. Anything and everything I can/do remember, I'm posting! I hope no other human being goes through this; if I can minimize someone else's suffering, ease any effort at finding a diagnosis, and maybe save them some time, it's well worth it. Over 13 years I have invested now, and without knowing ... 6.5 wasted as we went completely in the opposite direction as the JC Virus "woke up" and incubated. Next project, to review my history and try to find/remember each and every medication and misdiagnosis or "probable" diagnosis I've experienced. Among them, major depression and bipolar disorder ... ruled out; two sets of psychological and psychiatric evaluations (2nd one, showing a bit of dementia, but no psychiatric problems ..... "yet") ... etc., etc. To make a long story short, my providers were so focused on confirming or denying the diagnosis of MS and Sarcoidosis ... the real, initial, underlying, condition got lost in the shuffle until PML manifested; still ... the initial underlying condition is unknown. And yes, I am another one of those countless people whose physicians tried to tell them it was "all in their head" and it's psychiatric, as they pumped me full of useless meds when I insisted it was a physical condition ... I could feel it, this is my body ... darn right it's "all in my head!!" Not the way they implied and tried to shove down my throat though ... they just can't let a patient leave without having "the" answer for everything ... because they "know" ... they are the "experts" ... us peons know nothing, even though we live in our body, have all our lives .... who better to "know" when something's wrong and what one is experiencing?! That's right, them. *SIGH*
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  • My heart goes out to you friend. We lost our daughter to PML in January, due to what we feel and seem to be the only ones to feel that it was due to mis-diagnosis. They told us she had several strokes and treated her as such until it was too late. www.daytimediva77.com Since, I have written a book simply entitled, "Courtney's Story", soon to be published . Sometimes I think we live in some third world country instead of supposedly the best! Respectfully yours, Todd R. HewittOrlando, Florida
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    • October 1, 2009
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  • neurotransmissing, So sorry to hear about your misdiagnosis. There is a clinical trial for PML. Visit www.clinicaltrials.govWishing you the best & hopefully you won't get "the placebo", if you do join the clinical trial. While you recommended to those diagnosed with MS to be sure to check for the JC virus, my recommendation would be to make SURE that you go to a NEUROLOGIST who is TOUCH certified. One can go to www.TYSABRI.com to find TOUCH certified doctors to diagnose MS who are VERY AWARE of PML.Why TOUCH certified?First the PRIMARY reason for a neurologist becoming TOUCH certified is to become AWARE of the problems with PML or progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy. This is a rare disease, but one that has CONSISTENTLY been missed & OVERLOOKED by many neurologists.TOUCH certified doctors are APPROVED to PRESCRIBE TYSABRI for MS (multiple sclerosis), but TYSABRI like other MS drugs doesn't work for EVERYBODY. While clinical trials showed it has the HIGHEST EFFICACY for any MS drug, it doesn't work for everybody (about 70-80% of the MS population, but about 15% are allergic to or develop neutralizing antibodies to TYSABRI (aka natalizumab the only FDA/EMEA approved anti-VLA-4 monoclonal antibody on the market today). And fewer than 1 in 1,000 patients taking TYSABRI will come down with PML. A significant majority of those have been exposed to other much more toxic chemotherapy like mitoxantrone or other CRABs. Thankfully because of the TOUCH program, instead of being 90%-100% fatal, it's around 20% or so.Elan's scientists are working on the PML problem & doing very well with it. So well in fact that both Biogen-Idec and Roche want to learn from Elan what they know about this rare disease & have formed a "consortium" to learn from Elan.
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    • November 12, 2009
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  • We were mad, angry, still grieving......her HIV Infectious Disease Specialist never even heard of PML.....atleast until I had to tell him what it was and suggest my daughter may have it......then he proclaims to she and I that she would be fine in a couple of weeks.......Well guess what? She wasn't fine in a few weeks........We buried her January 13, 2009 at the age of 31 leaving behind four precious children ranging in ages 7 to 11. TRHOrlando, Floridawww.daytimediva77.com
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    • December 7, 2009
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  • TRH, I'm so sorry for your loss.It is sad that in this day & age of improved communications and information that the mass media & law firms do so little to help us get smarter.When one loses someone to "an infection", often how one acquired the JC virus & subsequent PML infection is ignored.Do you know how your beloved daughter acquired the JC virus?Here is a link from PubMed - peer reviewed? & unbiased?I pray it may give you & others a heads up on how to avoid getting infected.www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2687276/pdf/2302%2D08.pdf/?tool=pmcentrezAPPLIED AND ENVIRONMENTAL MICROBIOLOGY, June 2009, p. 3379–3388 Vol. 75, No. 11Quantification of Human Polyomaviruses JC Virus and BK Virus byTaqMan Quantitative PCR and Comparison to Other WaterQuality Indicators in Water and Fecal SamplesShannon M. McQuaig,1 Troy M. Scott,2 Jerzy O. Lukasik,2 John H. Paul,3 and Valerie J. Harwood1* Department of Biology, University of South Florida, Tampa, Florida 336201; Biological Consulting Services of North Florida, Gainesville, Florida 326092Received 7 October 2008/Accepted 24 March 2009In the United States, total maximum daily load standards for bodies of water that do not meet bacterial water quality standards are set by each state. The presence of human polyomaviruses (HPyVs) can be used as an indicator of human-associated sewage pollution in these waters. We have developed and optimized a TaqMan quantitative PCR (QPCR) assay based on the conserved T antigen to both quantify and simultaneously detect two HPyVs; JC virus and BK virus. The QPCR assay was able to consistently quantify >10 gene copies per reaction and is linear over 5 orders of magnitude. HPyVs were consistently detected in human waste samples (57 of 64) and environmental waters with known human fecal contamination (5 of 5) and were not amplified in DNA extracted from 127 animal waste samples from 14 species. HPyV concentrations in sewage decreased 81.2 and 84.2% over 28 days incubation at 25 and 35°C, respectively. HPyVs results were compared to Escherichia coli, fecal coliform, and enterococci concentrations and the presence of three other human- associated microbes: Bacteroidetes, Methanobrevibacter smithii, and adenovirus. HPyVs were the most frequently detected of these in human and contaminated environmental samples and were more human specific than the Bacteroidetes (HF183) or M. smithii. HPyVs and M. smithii more closely mimicked the persistence of adenovirus in sewage than the other microbes. The use of this rapid and quantitative assay in water quality research could help regulatory agencies to identify sources of water pollution for improved remediation of contaminated waters and ultimately protect humans from exposure to pathogens.
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    • December 8, 2009
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  • This same thing happened to us.....to my daughter...she was only 31.........she is and forever will be www.daytimediva77.comWell, none of the doctors had the guts to tell me themselves so they dumped this task on my primary care provider. At least we have the answer so I, and my family, can rest in peace and not worry when illnesses or conditions pop up in the family tree in the future. I have PML, and they selfishly wasted a month of the balance of my life by not telling me, knowing full well of my loss of function and necessity for hospice care and/or nursing home or similar.http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/medical/pml.htm Cause = JC Virus (could have come from one of many common childhood conditions; chickenpox, mumps, measles, staph infection, flu bugs ... and as I got older ... bronchitis, pneumonia, flu strep ... we can never know. But at least I have closure now and can begin making plans for what I am facing and tie up all the loose ends for care and get my affairs in order. Activated, most probably, upon administration of Copaxone injections and corticosteroids that followed ... when they 'thought' I had MS but failed to test for the JC Virus prior to treating me. Also, during that time, I was under extreme emotional stress (divorce proceedings) so I was quite depleted overall. All scripts since have also been wrong and have done nothing but worsen my condition; so now, I am on the right scripts and treatment plan to make the remainder of my life as comfortable and pain-free as possible. Symptoms began in 1996, but the condition was never found; however, it was confirmed that whatever it was, it was not fatal. Sadly, it may have been treatable or even curable. However, upon the misdiagnosis and treatment of MS with the Copaxone, corticosteroids, and perhaps even all that emotional stress ... everything changed. That was in 2005. I asked why I am still alive, if the JC Virus was activated way back in 2005, and it was explained to me that although it was activated ... it takes time for it to "evolve" or "manifest" or "mature" to the point of PML. The fatality rate is based upon the diagnosis ... so although a patient may have PML, until the progression is far enough along to diagnose ... it goes undetected. So the fatality rate, or life longetivity timeline, is based on when the diagnosis of PML is confirmed. So my advice, for anyone that is thought to have Multiple Sclerosis or possible Multiple Sclerosis, or atypical Multiple Sclerosis (as in my case), make absolutely certain that they have checked you for the JC Virus. If you have it in your system, and they don't find it or know it's there, the treatments for Multiple Sclerosis may prove deadly. I understand this is rare, but it happened to me. Here I am. It is my understanding that 85% of the population carries the JC Virus dormant in their system; in rare cases, it reactivates and manifests into PML. Knowing of the JC Virus, and my case being rare, I may have still taken the Copaxone injections and the corticosteroids. However, I would not have until they confirmed that I have Multiple Sclerosis with absolution. They never really knew, I should not have had the treatments until there was more certainty ... especially with the JC Virus ... of which should have been tested for, and was not. Which was probably the key to the symptoms that started in 1996, to begin with ... or something else viral or something ... treatable, non-fatal ... and perhaps even curable. It's too late now.
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