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Disseminated candidasis, sarcoidosis

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  • Posted By: tomconner
  • September 29, 2006
  • 08:50 PM

This my first post here. Please treat this as a legitimate question, although perhaps extremely indelicate:

Have there ever been any documented cases of disseminated or systemic candidasis linked to inadvertent oral ingestion of candida vaginitis during sexual relations? In cunnilingus, it would seem to be a logical potential source of infection if a quantity of candida were actually swallowed accidentially. Is anyone aware of medical documentation along these lines and can offer medical text citations?

This has a direct bearing on medical treatment options in a long-term (22-year) refractory case -- and is not a joke of any kind.

A 1969 case by Krause DS, et all in The Lancet showed that these yeast organisms can jump the intestinal wall when orally ingested. They also appeared in the bloodstream. But the experiment was followed by antifungal treatment and the researcher was healthy.

What would happen if the ingestion were followed by round after round of antibiotic -- and the patient already had a long term (two year) history of tetracycline 1,000 mg daily use for acne treatment?

Also, another 1977 research article in the New York Journal of Medicine (if I recall) showed that a woman's sarcoidosis vanished after her doctors treated her with Amphotericin B for fungal balls in her lungs -- suggesting that Candida albicans might actually be the cause -- not merely an immunological corollary as has long been presumed -- of sarcoid. The fungal balls disappeared -- and so did the woman's sarcoid symptoms.

I would appreciate any replies and help you can provide. This is extremely important to answer -- and all citations need to be from well-respected journals if at all possible.

The case might also involve the Candida infection moving via the blood stream directly to the male partner's prostate -- a situation which at least one researcher has indicated might be a much more common occurrence than one would presume.

In this case, the male partner developed sarcoidosis after the ingestion -- and still sees the outlines of "floaters" in both eyes that strongly resemble fungal strands 22-years later.

This case has never been adequately investigated by any open-minded physician familiar with "theoretical" mycology. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

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  • Hello~I was interested reading your post mostly because what you're describing sounds an awful lot like Coccidiomycosis (Valley Fever). My husband was diagnosed with Sarcoidosis nearly 20 years ago. From what we've been told and all the research we've done, there still is no proven "cause" for Sarcoid. At any rate, he's taken prednisone on/off over the years, however, the Sarcoid hadn't progressed past stage 1 or possibly 2. In April of this year, his symptoms got extremely worse and new ones presented. Along w/difficulty and/or pain w/breathing, he had "burning eyes & kidneys" and the coughing was getting out of control - he began to cough up blood and other unmentionable sputum...... So, come to find out, the lab cultured something he hacked up and it came back positive for the "cocci". If you have been in the desert southwest (or live there) that's where it's contracted. It's a nasty fungus that is inhaled through the lungs and can progressively disseminate throughout the entire body via the lymph system from what I understand. Once we had the diagnosis (on top of the Sarcoid), he was immediately put on 400mg of Diflucan a day - IT TOOK 10 MONTHS TO DIAGNOSIS him w/this debilitating disease......there is NO CURE - at any rate, you can get more info. at www.valleyfeversurvivor.com - they have an incredible message board w/tons of information. Not sure if this really helps or not?! Good luck!
    gailbob 2 Replies
    • October 1, 2006
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  • Hello~I was interested reading your post mostly because what you're describing sounds an awful lot like Coccidiomycosis (Valley Fever). My husband was diagnosed with Sarcoidosis nearly 20 years ago. From what we've been told and all the research we've done, there still is no proven "cause" for Sarcoid. At any rate, he's taken prednisone on/off over the years, however, the Sarcoid hadn't progressed past stage 1 or possibly 2. In April of this year, his symptoms got extremely worse and new ones presented. Along w/difficulty and/or pain w/breathing, he had "burning eyes & kidneys" and the coughing was getting out of control - he began to cough up blood and other unmentionable sputum...... So, come to find out, the lab cultured something he hacked up and it came back positive for the "cocci". If you have been in the desert southwest (or live there) that's where it's contracted. It's a nasty fungus that is inhaled through the lungs and can progressively disseminate throughout the entire body via the lymph system from what I understand. Once we had the diagnosis (on top of the Sarcoid), he was immediately put on 400mg of Diflucan a day - IT TOOK 10 MONTHS TO DIAGNOSIS him w/this debilitating disease......there is NO CURE - at any rate, you can get more info. at www.valleyfeversurvivor.com - they have an incredible message board w/tons of information. Not sure if this really helps or not?! Good luck!
    gailbob 2 Replies
    • October 1, 2006
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  • Candida is not an acid-resistant organism. That means that any Candida you ingest (be it from somebody's vaginal secretions, or from an oral infection of your very own) is destroyed in your stomach by Hydrochloric Acid.To have Candida survive the passage through the stomach and then disseminate, you'd have to have some serious achloridia (lack of stomach acid) or be severely immunodepressed. It seems extremely unlikely that anyone immunodepressed enough to develop a disseminated Candida infection would still be alive 22 years later without any of the other characteristic diseases of the immunossupressed (tuberculosis, pneumocystosis, cryptococcosis, histoplasmosis, toxoplasmosis, septicaemias, limphomas, solid cancers and so forth...).The most likely cause of disseminated Candida would be the use of unsterilized needles.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 14, 2006
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  • I'm sorry, but stomach acid doesn't automatically kill candida. It exists in numerous forms -- including tissue-invasive stages -- as well as a spore-like form that can be almost as small as a virus.One case by Krause et all in a 1977 New York Journal of Medicine article, a researcher swallowed purified candida strains. It all jumped his gut wall and very, very quickly showed up in his blood stream and urine. If this had been an invasive form -- as vaginal candidasis potnetially is -- the researcher may well have develped a disseminated disease.A 1988 Japanese study showed that all rats orally ingesting candida developed systemic disease. Some rats, if I recall, had candida spread to all organs.Only a small immune defect needs to exist for a systemic disease to develop. When a hematogenous bacterial co-infection exists such as strep or staph with candida, it's almost universally fatal -- according to one study. Group B strep is fairly common in vaginal flora.Also, it's possible the woman in this case had attempted repeatedly to eliminate the candida. That might suggest a resistant strain.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 16, 2006
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  • I just thought I would jump in here and mention that sarcoidosis patients' are now turning to the Marshall Protocol, apparently to cure their disease. Trevor Marshall, Ph.D. created this protocol to cure himself of sarcoidosis. I believe the protocol is still considered a research protocol, but apparently it has saved lives and is awaiting FDA approval.link: http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum2/28.htmlhttp://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum2/13.html
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 21, 2006
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  • I just thought I would jump in here and mention that sarcoidosis patients' are now turning to the Marshall Protocol, apparently to cure their disease. Trevor Marshall, Ph.D. created this protocol to cure himself of sarcoidosis. I believe the protocol is still considered a research protocol, but apparently it has saved lives and is awaiting FDA approval. link: http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum2/28.html http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum2/13.html Thanks for all the replies. This is the first link I've seen between sarcoid and CFIDS -- which I've been told were mutually exclusive. It now appears otherwise. There also appears to be a link to candidiasis. This is extremely useful information! Thank you again!
    tomconner 16 Replies
    • October 25, 2006
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  • Dear Sir,I am looking for MP doctors in Florida (CFS, Lyme literate, candida, etc.) and due to the longterm effects of my conditions am not having an easy time negotiating this site. It seems overwhelming, just having discovered it last night. I sent out an email to the request for doctors list but if I do not get helpful answers, would like to ask for help in getting through this since I am feeling at the end of my rope. Are you also familar with Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker's site, www.chronicneurotoxins.com? It seems there are some strong connections here. Thank you. ecoartist1@bellsouth.net
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 29, 2006
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  • Eco,Hang in there! One of the things I had to learn is "covering the basics". Think through everything your body needs -- all the processes. Make sure you're getting the right nutrients, sleep, proper nutrient absorption, elimination, etc. You've absolutely got to digest your food -- and have a healthy population of probiotic bacteria in your digestive tract. Drink pure water. Chlorinated water apparently kills beneficial gut bacteria -- and causes allergic reactions in and of itself. (Adding chlorine to water is designed to kill bacteria. That's the purpose for putting it in the water to begin with. It's fine -- up to the point it reaches your lips and nostrils.) Contain and reduce inflammation and allergic reaction. Do what's necessary to get deep sleep. You might have sleep apnea -- central or obstructive or both combined -- even if you don't fit the classic "apnea" profile. Think in terms of propping up and re-inforcing all body functions. Check out Dr. Jacob Teitelbaum's book, From Fatigued to Fantastic and the website at www.endfatigue.com -- along with www.CFIDS.org. One of the best -- and most under-rated product lines I've ever seen or heard of is the old, long-established, but highly reputable supplements and health company, Shaklee. Using Shaklee products helped raise me from perhaps 15% functionality -- to more than 85%. Shaklee is no miracle "cure" -- and the products need to be individualized -- but they're the only product line out there with extensive documentation that they work. They're more pricey than many other supplement line -- but more than worth the cost -- and they have a 100% money-back guarantee. Their Vita-Lea multi-vitamin dissolves in warm water in about seven minutes or less. (Some other supposedly "great" vitamins didn't dissolve in two days!) Plus, Shaklee's Opti-flora probiotic is the only one I've ever heard of that guarantees live delivery of the probiotic into the intestines.Maybe the best thing to do is get the Marshall group in contact with your own doctor. Offer to sign an "informed consent" document if your doctor doesn't approve.Just some ideas. Hope they help!
    tomconner 16 Replies
    • October 29, 2006
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  • I have been doing extensive research of MP patient population with diverse dgx like Sarcoidosis, Lyme, Chronic Lyme, CFS, RA...The current MP disease theory is that people accumulate bacterial coccoidal plasmids and then on an event, such as stress, viral or other infection, these plasmids gang up and perform rapid colonization, in those who are at the time immuno-supressed. The immuno supression is due to either steroid use or high level of Vit D intake/light exposure or the fact that some of these species modulate the innate immunity and effectively prevent adaptive immunity's by regulating the Vit D metabolite hydrolization in the body and adrenal hormonal cytokine generation (so called Th1 disease pathway).So, based on this theory, fungal infections as well as bacterial and viral infections to which we find actual antibodies would be a co-infection stemming from immuno supression. The true culprit are the coccoidal plasmids and the floral films they build up as well as generation of scaring granulomas, which innate immunity builds to localize these pathogens. My own research of the MP patient population shows significant corraboration of the theory but also leaves open the question of therapy actually curing either plasmids or the secondary infections. I believe the MP overplay the plasmids at expense of secondary infections which can be very dangerous when one is coming from immuno-supression into full force immunity and a compromised body. Many on MP are bed-ridden, wheelchair, O2, huge cholesterol, either overweight or underweight...severely ill people. The MP treatment is hard and requires a multi-year commitment, but those in advanced stages swear it has saved their life and it's allowing them to manage their health. That is very, very promising.I hope this summary is of help. It took me many hours to arrive at this summary, due to their arcane content management software and a long history of modification of the theory, proof and criteria for "Th1 disease". If you decide to research it, arm yourself with patience.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • November 11, 2006
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  • Hi Everyone, In 1977, after graduation, I woke up one morning in EXTREME PAIN! I could not walk, or move my arm, I had red raised nodules all over my legs. They did not have MRI's back then, so I was diagnosed with Sarcoidosis and eryethma Nodosum. The year 1995, 10 days after a c-section, I am blind, cant walk, or talk. physically and Emotionally UNRESPONSIVE! Yet I can hear all intelectual speaking, I just cant RESPOND. Almost a month later, they send me home (after putting nitro glicerin under my tonge for weeks) with a diagnosis of post partum psycosis. They said I need to see a shrink! Well, 5 years later after many Journeys to many Doctors, and educating myself on these diseases, I was finally diagnosed with MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS, LUPUS, PSORIASIS, SARCOIDOSIS and SCLERODERMA and these are just a few. My mom and sisters suffer from other AUTOIMMUNE diseases as well. PLEASE! DO NOT LET A DOCTOR INSULT YOUR INTELLIGENCE!! EDUCATE YOURSELFS AND PLEASE GO TO THIS WEBSITE! Because they are all related to each other. www.aarda.org
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • November 14, 2006
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  • Tom, it sounds like you are asking a number of things. Firstly, Candida is present in us all naturally but doesn't present a problem unless there is overgrowth for some reason. It might be because of ingestion, but it might be because the immune system has been weakened for some reason (antibiotics, illness, etc.). What you appear to be asking in this regard is whether the ingestion tipped the balance leading to overgrowth in a person with a weakened immune system. I am not sure you could ever get an answer to that. Theoretically, it is possible but it is like trying to determine how someone caught a cold. There is evidence that thrush can be transmitted by oral sex however and this might be a first step if you wanted to look into this further. You mention candida jumping the gut wall. I imagine it would be unreal to assume that our blood was completely clear of anything (including Candida) and the studies you mention suggest that ingestion can affect blood levels. This doesn't mean to say that this results in an overgrowth since it stimulates an immune response though. If it does lead to an overgrowth however, I suppose this could lead to autoimmune disorders (and here is where there is a lot of scepticism by medical professionals). You mentioned the prostate and I seem to recall hearing that this might be affected by oestrogen levels caused by Candida in the gut. I can't remember more than that though. Finally, lots of floaters appear as web like structures. These are caused by inhomogeneities in the vitreous humour. The patient couldn't possibly focus on these and they appear as visual distortions. The fact they appear like strands is more likely down to the physics of refraction rather than any fungal infection.
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  • Dear Sir,I am looking for MP doctors in Florida (CFS, Lyme literate, candida, etc.) and due to the longterm effects of my conditions am not having an easy time negotiating this site. It seems overwhelming, just having discovered it last night. I sent out an email to the request for doctors list but if I do not get helpful answers, would like to ask for help in getting through this since I am feeling at the end of my rope. Are you also familar with Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker's site, www.chronicneurotoxins.com? It seems there are some strong connections here. Thank you. ecoartist1@bellsouth.net To find good MPs for conditions such as CFS.. check out your local support group and ask them for doctors they recommend. By doing that, Ive found a heap of doctors who specilalise in my illness. I spoke to my own CFS specialist about the Richie Shoemaker neurotoxin stuff only a couple of weeks ago. Apparently my CFS specialist had previously been in contact with Shoemaker so did know all about that and he's told me to "go for it" when i asked about getting the neurotoxin tests.
    taniaaust1 2267 Replies
    • November 19, 2006
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  • Regarding Candidiasis. I do some paralegal work in the area of workers' compensation and I ran into a case recently of a man who had cut into the walls of his house to do some renovations and there was a type of fungus related to candida in the walls--I can't remember the name latter name, but it was definitely candida __________. Anyway he inhaled the spores and got sick, condition was undiagnosed and eventually fatal. As one of the documents in the case there was an article about other unusual ways that people had contracted candida. In one an injection into the spine with a needle that had been contaminated with candida introduced the spores into the spinal fluid and was eventually lethal. I really wish I had kept a copy of this article. Would really have liked to provide citations for you.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • November 28, 2006
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  • Steer clear of Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, he's a quack and used drugs on people without providing full disclosure/consent. Read all about it on casewatch.org.this man runs a dishonest business. He's a snake. My experience with this man was not a good one. Amanda
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  • Casewatch org interesting website thankyou :)Samanthahttp://www.undiagnosedillness.org
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