Discussions By Condition: I cannot get a diagnosis.

Why Not Look At It Differently ?

Posted In: I cannot get a diagnosis. 8 Replies
  • Posted By: Anonymous
  • January 28, 2007
  • 04:32 PM

I see many sad and upsetting stories on this site.

If "traditional" docs - MDs and DOs - are not helping with these problems,
why not use other docs ?

Point here is that other docs - Naturopathic docs, Doctors of Oriental Medicine and Doctors of Chiropractic that have trained in more than only adjusting - can and do look at health problems in different ways.

Looking at a problem differently may give a better understanding of what may really be going on. For example, endometriosis is often a very straightforward problem that can be dealt with effectively with natural means of helping organs return to health.

So why such a reliance on those who seem to not get good results in these cases here ?

All input appreciated. This is continuing education for me.
Thanks

Reply Flag this Discussion

8 Replies:

  • Honestly I think alot of us really do not have the money to do it the way you are speaking of. There are many of us out here that have a very limited income & have to rely on going to doctors that our insurance approves of. I for one (have had Endometriosis surgery) had to fight to get my insurance to pay for my surgery up front because I could not afford it. If they had not paid I would not have had my surgery. Now, I am having alot of problems with weakness in my hands & headaches & loss of hearing in one of my ears. I went to a Neurologist (a very good one at that) who told me it is definitely not carpal tunnel. He wanted to do an Nerve Conduction Study but I had to cancel the appointment because his office wanted me to pay my coinsurance (20%) up front before they would do it. Now that is awful. I am sitting her now in pain & agony & there is nothing I can do. Another thing, I needed to go to a Urologist because I am having severe bleeding inside my bladder (I know because the surgeon who did my Endometriosis surgery took pictures after he did a Cystoscopy) but the Urologist that I went to will not see me because I owe them money (I think about 200.00) from 2 years ago that I did not pay when they did another Cystoscopy, Urethral dilation & Urodynamics Study on me. I also have 2 bulging discs in my back. Now when I had the first herniated disc I went to an Acupuncturist (That was in 1996) & she was wonderful. She worked out of office & home. At that time I was able to afford it. I do definitely believe in acupuncture & herbal remedies & such. At first I was skeptical but the acupuncture got rid of my back pain for about 2 years or so. I did not have to take pain medicine or anything. It was wonderful. It would be nice if all of these things (acupuncture, etc) were covered by insurance. If they were I think people would be more willing to use it & feel alot better from it.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • January 28, 2007
    • 06:34 PM
    • 0
    Flag this Response
  • OMG I couldn't agree more with you!! Its a sad world we live in where money and profit is put before the well being of mankind!! "We have created an overwhelmingling wasteful, expensive, frightening, and inhuman medical system based on the myth that healing belongs in the hands of professionals.' That was a quote from Deepak Chopra. Its funny that we live in the richest of all countries, yet we seem to be the most ill and our cancer rate is forever on the rise.According the the amercain cancer society back in 1901 only one in 8,000 americans got cancer. Today its one in THREE. Where are all the billions of 'cancer reasearch' dollars going?? Do a search on google, Royal Raymond Rife pretty much had a cure for cancer back in 1920 and the AMA burned all his reasearch and tried to put him in jail. The story is real and its horrifying to say the least.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • January 28, 2007
    • 07:46 PM
    • 0
    Flag this Response
  • not suprised the AMA burned all his research!! on our local cable channel, the medical network had a story of something similar about cures being done with the venom of bee-stings, but too many western doctors snub this sort "cure" though it's WORKED for so many people! i wished i could recall another interesting story on that channel. it was about the "march of dimes" orginization who was guilty of DISREGARDING someones CURE for something (wished i could recall it better, so i could be more exact!). disgusting, isnt it?!! :eek: NO WONDER i've had the problems i've had, which have been a VARIETY. everything from misdiagnosis to lack-of-patient-education about a treatment (which BACKFIRED on me too)!!!
    dudbubbin1 37 Replies
    • January 28, 2007
    • 09:01 PM
    • 0
    Flag this Response
  • I totally agree that money is the problem. Ralph, you responded to my post, Digestive Problems - Undiagnosed. I have been having problems for over 3 years with traditional doctors. Unforunately, I dont have the money to be able to pay for natual doctors, etc. and my insurance doesnt cover them. I've even tried asking if they would be willing to set up payment plans with me and they are not willing to do that. I saw an acupuncturist and absolutely LOVED it. I would love to go back and see her a few times a month but I can't afford it. I think a problem is the way the insurance companies look at alternative medicine. Hopfully some day soon they will recognize that alternative medcine is beneficial and should also be covered. Either that, or I have to find a better place to grow my money tree because its not surving to well in my world today and I'm very tired of "living" this way.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • January 28, 2007
    • 10:51 PM
    • 0
    Flag this Response
  • Thanks for the replies so far.On traditional medicine, I will quote a former employee, who previously had been a med docs office manager one town north of me. She told me that one day he said "We want to get them well, but not too well." I was very angry and a bit stunned. I have always felt that doing a great job with a patient would help them tremendously and actually bring me more patients due to a very satisfied patients' referrals. Money can be a sticking point. I have some friends in WV, and many people there are in a health care plan that allows them to decide how to spend the first 2 or 3 thousand dollars per year for health care that they want. Then after that insurance guidelines kick in. (Not too sure of the exact details as I am in OH). Ever think of barter ? What could you or can you do for the doc to get fair exchange ? Babysit ? Clean ? Run errands like shopping ? My ex and two kids did not and would not eat any bread except white, which made my hair curl. I had a female Mennonite (sort of Amish) patient that would bake and bring in fresh wheat bread. My ex and kids tried it and liked it. So every time that patient would bring in that type of bread and a few other freshly baked things, there was no charge for her visit. Same type of deal with the couple who cut my office lawn etc. We did keep notes so we could stay "even" and have neither of us feel we were taken advantage of. On this stuff you do not know until you ask. And even if "no" is said at first, it may change to a "yes" after further thought brings new insight. And it is sad that insurance sees it as an added on cost. What would actually happen, IMO, is that overall costs would go down due to less surgeries, tests and drugs being used. Makes me wonder why insurance companies don't pursue this as it would eventually lower costs. What stops it ? Politics ? Money ? Hmmmmmmmmm...................
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • January 28, 2007
    • 11:17 PM
    • 0
    Flag this Response
  • Ralph I really really like the way you think!!! I have been open to all alternative medicines since I have been a child. Even though my family and friends all think I am 'crazy'. Its so great to find posts by like minded people:D Stacy
    HappyHealthyGirl 26 Replies
    • January 29, 2007
    • 01:30 AM
    • 0
    Flag this Response
  • Ralph,I have really enjoyed your posts and just wanted to thank you. We need to make a drastic change in our healthcare system. Do you know there are still a few states where you cannot practice acupucture?! In PA they finally lifted the requirement for a doctor's referral for acupuncture. Because we DOM's don't have a huge lobby, we don't have a national standard to practice and it is left up to the states...I hope this will change in the next few years. I currently don't take insurance at my practice as it is just too much to deal with (I've got two small kiddos in addition to my part time practice). But I have NEVER turned down a patient because they cannot pay...it is a shame that more practitioners out there don't do the same... I also barter for treatments. It is always worth asking if a patient has certain skills you should ask - who knows? Lastly, I want to recommend people go to all the good TCM schools located around the country. If you live near a big city it's possible you can get much reduced treatments. Worth checking out. I hope acupuncture and other complimentary medicines will be covered by medicare/medicaid someday. In the meantime I hope people will still try to get treatments! Best wishes.DOM
    acuann 3080 Replies
    • January 29, 2007
    • 04:21 AM
    • 0
    Flag this Response
  • This is a bump up, looking for more input on why some so very frustrated people here ( and rightfully so ) do not seek other health pros to help them. So please pour it on ! Einstein's definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. And he was kinda smart.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • February 7, 2007
    • 01:22 AM
    • 0
    Flag this Response
Thanks! A moderator will review your post and it will be live within the next 24 hours.