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  • Posted By: Nascar_Perry
  • February 24, 2008
  • 07:35 PM

I will try and be as detailed as possible in the hopes someone here may know what is wrong. I will also provide my information as a timeline.

Wednesday 02/20/08
I stayed home from work with what I felt was the flu, feeling stuffed up, sore throat, a headache type feeling in my neck. I tried to relax and drink lots of fluids and rest up, I had a temp of 36.0 C. In the afternoon, I took a normal dosage of Buckly's Cold and Flu (similar to Dayquil) and felt more clear.

During the day I also consumed approx 3-4 cups of coffee

Thursday 02/21/08
I felt a little better, minor headache, muscle aches particularly in my left chest area roughly 2-3 in above and to the left of my heart. They would come and go with no way to reproduce them. Still took the normal dosage of medication. Had minimal sleep the night before thanks to the flu, and consumed roughly 3-4 cups of coffee as well as other fluids, some containing caffeine.

Friday 02/22/08
Felt much better, still had minimal sleep the night before, went to work, Drank half a bottle of "5 Hour Energy" at around 9:30am and within 2 minutes felt a major flush feeling in my chest that flowed from the top down to my stomach, then followed my the shakes within 3 minutes as if blood sugar levels were low. Ate lunch, felt better, no shakes, continued my day. I had roughly two more coffees from then till around 1PM. I was slowly drinking my third when the flush feelings came again as I was driving out of the city, they started in the center or top of my chest, and flowed down, once or twice right to my feet, this was accompanied by a pressure feeling in my chest and all followed by a chill right afterwords lasting 2 seconds, with no shakes, these symptoms continued for about half and hour until I called for help fearing a heart attack (runs in my family) en route to the hospital my BP was normal, heart rate normal and not irate or fast, all well still getting these flushing or Butterfly symptoms through my body, and feeling a bit hot. My temp was checked at 37.5 C and I was given a EKG which came back normal. I was told it was caffeine overdose and sent home feeling a bit better, Today is Sunday the 24th and I have cut 90% caffeine out of my body, having only one can of coke for caffeine intake per day (Sat and Today) and had two cups of Decaf coffee each day. I ate well, and healthy, but as of today I still get the occasional minor flush feeling with a chill (one or two on Saturday and again today.) I also have a mad headache (probably from Withdrawal) and excessive tiredness and occasional dizziness. Most of the muscle pains have gone, but occasionally come and go around the same place as described earlier. I am still feeling some minor flu symptoms. Recent tests from my doctor for a chest exam came back negative, a blood test showed a somewhat high cholesterol level, and normal results for Heart disease.

Am I suffering from a Caffeine induced withdrawal or should I be looking at getting more tests done (i.e Thyroid) I was recommended by the hospital doctor to get a thyroid done and a Holter Monitor (I think I said that right)

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  • I'm not sure I'll be very helpful, but I feel the need to comment for some reason! I would say for you to go ahead and get checked out for those 2 things you last listed there. I mean, why not? : ) Just to ease your mind.I'd say it is probably just caffeine-related. A can of coke a day is still a fair amount of caffeine, it may not seem like it to someone who is used to several cups of coffee though.So hopefully it is just withdrawal, I get very bad headaches from that. (And also I get very odd symptoms from too much caffeine!) And lastly - i'm just throwing this out there - do you think it is possible you've been having anxiety attacks? They cause very strange sensations sometimes and can be triggered or worsened by caffeine especially... Anyway, hope you feel better soon!
    drifter 7 Replies
    • February 25, 2008
    • 05:41 AM
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  • Hi there - i get similiar symtoms - i will be sitting at work driving my car or even relaxing in front of the TV - suddenly my heart beats faster than normal i get a sudden headache that the back of my head is saw if i push it with my finger my chest gets a little tight i get a pain in my foot and Knee and my temp goes up - i feel very light headed like im going to faint i have been to many many doctors regarding this and my blood is perfect my lungs are perfect and my heart is perfect - i smoke but dont drink coke or coffee..i have been suffering with this for almost a year, it is frightning at times.. and i wish there was something to stop this
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • February 25, 2008
    • 07:18 AM
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  • My comments are in red for you.... I will try and be as detailed as possible in the hopes someone here may know what is wrong. I will also provide my information as a timeline. Wednesday 02/20/08I stayed home from work with what I felt was the flu, feeling stuffed up, sore throat, a headache type feeling in my neck. I tried to relax and drink lots of fluids and rest up, I had a temp of 36.0 C. In the afternoon, I took a normal dosage of Buckly's Cold and Flu (similar to Dayquil) and felt more clear. During the day I also consumed approx 3-4 cups of coffee Coffee is a diuretic... you need to be careful when you get a bad infection to be sure to get enough fluids and electrolytes to stay hydrated. Plus the coffee can be ******n a sensitive stomach. Sounds like you got the bad bug many folks got this winter including myself.The dayquil will dry you out also. Thursday 02/21/08I felt a little better, minor headache, muscle aches particularly in my left chest area roughly 2-3 in above and to the left of my heart. They would come and go with no way to reproduce them. Still took the normal dosage of medication. Had minimal sleep the night before thanks to the flu, and consumed roughly 3-4 cups of coffee as well as other fluids, some containing caffeine. The headache could be from dehydration/electrolyte losses from the coffee and being sick. Drink more fluids with salts, a bbit of sugar (for energy for your muscles) and potassium in them, pedialyte may be helpful. And diluted fruit juice if you tolerate them. Gatorade, straight or diluted depending on what you need. And water. Friday 02/22/08Felt much better, still had minimal sleep the night before, went to work, Drank half a bottle of "5 Hour Energy" at around 9:30am and within 2 minutes felt a major flush feeling in my chest that flowed from the top down to my stomach, then followed my the shakes within 3 minutes as if blood sugar levels were low. Is there NIACIN in this 5hr energy? Probably flush from dehydration.... was your skin dry? Can you make tears, saliva the way you do on normal days? Darker urine?? Ate lunch, felt better, no shakes, continued my day. I had roughly two more coffees from then till around 1PM. I was slowly drinking my third when the flush feelings came again as I was driving out of the city, they started in the center or top of my chest, and flowed down, once or twice right to my feet, this was accompanied by a pressure feeling in my chest and all followed by a chill right afterwords lasting 2 seconds, with no shakes, these symptoms continued for about half and hour until I called for help fearing a heart attack (runs in my family) en route to the hospital my BP was normal, heart rate normal and not irate or fast, all well still getting these flushing or Butterfly symptoms through my body, and feeling a bit hot Again could be dehydration (the coffee is probably hurting more than helping you) :eek: My temp was checked at 37.5 C and I was given a EKG which came back normal. I was told it was caffeine overdose YES! :D and sent home feeling a bit better, Today is Sunday the 24th and I have cut 90% caffeine out of my body, having only one can of coke for caffeine intake per day (Sat and Today) and had two cups of Decaf coffee each day. I ate well, and healthy, but as of today I still get the occasional minor flush feeling with a chill (one or two on Saturday and again today.) Your eletroytes and fluids may take a awhile to get back to normal, especially if you had ivs at the ER. You have to work on finding the right balance of fluids, and electrolytes (potassium, magnesium, NACL/salt, glucose etc) I also have a mad headache (probably from Withdrawal) and excessive tiredness and occasional dizziness. You can get dehydrated, but you also have to watch for hyponatremia if you drink too much water. Most of the muscle pains have gone, but occasionally come and go around the same place as described earlier. I am still feeling some minor flu symptoms. Recent tests from my doctor for a chest exam came back negative, a blood test showed a somewhat high cholesterol level, and normal results for Heart disease. Am I suffering from a Caffeine induced withdrawal or should I be looking at getting more tests done (i.e Thyroid) I was recommended by the hospital doctor to get a thyroid done and a Holter Monitor (I think I said that right) If the dr wants this.... why are you hesitating.... they don't ask for those tests for no reason. The thyroid could be out of whack becuase of the infection. I think he needs to make sure your heart rhythms are OK... eletrolyte imbalances can affect the heart rhythm. You should do the thests I think. By the way are you obverweight and could possibly have diabetes? Do watch out for the caffeine in coffee and energy drinks, supplements also.... it is a potent diuretic and CND stimulant for some. Also, it can increase pain when you are dehydrated. Good luck, stay away from the bad bugs and keep your nutrition up.
    TaylorDeelwithit 382 Replies
    • February 25, 2008
    • 07:37 AM
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  • I Drank half a bottle of "5 Hour Energy" at around 9:30am and within 2 minutes felt a major flush feeling in my chest that flowed from the top down to my stomach, then followed my the shakes within 3 minutes as if blood sugar levels were low. That 5 hr energy drink apparently contains a lot of B vitamins. I learnt in naturopathy college that if someone is low on B vitamin.. and have a largish dose of B... they can get flushing (it's one way to tell if someone is low on B). Some people also can be sensitive to B. So consider you may have a sensitivity there or you need more B vitamin and the flushing may be a symptom of that. caffiene over dose would caused flushing etc too and of cause the well known headache withdrawl symptom. You could also get other withdrawl symptoms too.
    taniaaust1 2267 Replies
    • February 25, 2008
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  • Thanks for all the input.To answer some questions that were asked...I am a 26year old male, 5'8" 147lbs with no known history of diabetes in the family. That day my skin wasn't drier then normal and I could produce saliva and tears alright. Sunday I drank an ample amount of water, Orange Juice and Gatorade. speaking of B Vitamins I did take a multi vitamin and Ester C that morning (friday) but I have never really been affected from a large dose of vitamin B other then it waking me up more if I didn't get much sleep for some reason. So far this morning I feel a lot better, very minor headache. No other symptoms, and enjoying a fresh cup of decaf :rolleyes:Anxiety Attacks crossed my mind as I have had one a long time ago, but didn't quite fell the same anxiousness as this was happening. I lost my mother to heart disease in 2006 12 years after her first major heart attack, so last night I had an emotional release thinking about her which has helped a lot.Now I just have to wait for my doctor to get back from vacation to get these tests that were recommended done
    Nascar_Perry 12 Replies
    • February 25, 2008
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  • I have owned a cell phone for a long time, Never had an issue, I am always around my computer at home, never had an issue there.... except for eye strains, but hey, that's a normal reaction to a pc or laptop monitor, you just have to turn down the brightness. Being in a hospital, around all the electronics and other interference fields that were mentioned in the second link do nothing to me. This option has definitely been ruled out long time ago
    Nascar_Perry 12 Replies
    • February 25, 2008
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  • Just an Update on symptoms, I am still experiencing the same symptoms as described yesterday with less muscle pains, but still experiencing minor dizziness that comes and goes as if there is a vitamin deficiency, the occasional very minor flush feeling (once so far today) tiredness, on and off minor headache (not as bad as the last two days) and a general feeling of unwell every now and then today.Still feeling some symptoms of the flu, including waking up at 3am with a sore throat, quickly suppressed with Bradasol
    Nascar_Perry 12 Replies
    • February 25, 2008
    • 09:35 PM
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  • I will try and be as detailed as possible in the hopes someone here may know what is wrong. I will also provide my information as a timeline. Wednesday 02/20/08I stayed home from work with what I felt was the flu, feeling stuffed up, sore throat, a headache type feeling in my neck. I tried to relax and drink lots of fluids and rest up, I had a temp of 36.0 C. In the afternoon, I took a normal dosage of Buckly's Cold and Flu (similar to Dayquil) and felt more clear. During the day I also consumed approx 3-4 cups of coffee Thursday 02/21/08I felt a little better, minor headache, muscle aches particularly in my left chest area roughly 2-3 in above and to the left of my heart. They would come and go with no way to reproduce them. Still took the normal dosage of medication. Had minimal sleep the night before thanks to the flu, and consumed roughly 3-4 cups of coffee as well as other fluids, some containing caffeine. Friday 02/22/08Felt much better, still had minimal sleep the night before, went to work, Drank half a bottle of "5 Hour Energy" at around 9:30am and within 2 minutes felt a major flush feeling in my chest that flowed from the top down to my stomach, then followed my the shakes within 3 minutes as if blood sugar levels were low. Ate lunch, felt better, no shakes, continued my day. I had roughly two more coffees from then till around 1PM. I was slowly drinking my third when the flush feelings came again as I was driving out of the city, they started in the center or top of my chest, and flowed down, once or twice right to my feet, this was accompanied by a pressure feeling in my chest and all followed by a chill right afterwords lasting 2 seconds, with no shakes, these symptoms continued for about half and hour until I called for help fearing a heart attack (runs in my family) en route to the hospital my BP was normal, heart rate normal and not irate or fast, all well still getting these flushing or Butterfly symptoms through my body, and feeling a bit hot. My temp was checked at 37.5 C and I was given a EKG which came back normal. I was told it was caffeine overdose and sent home feeling a bit better, Today is Sunday the 24th and I have cut 90% caffeine out of my body, having only one can of coke for caffeine intake per day (Sat and Today) and had two cups of Decaf coffee each day. I ate well, and healthy, but as of today I still get the occasional minor flush feeling with a chill (one or two on Saturday and again today.) I also have a mad headache (probably from Withdrawal) and excessive tiredness and occasional dizziness. Most of the muscle pains have gone, but occasionally come and go around the same place as described earlier. I am still feeling some minor flu symptoms. Recent tests from my doctor for a chest exam came back negative, a blood test showed a somewhat high cholesterol level, and normal results for Heart disease. Am I suffering from a Caffeine induced withdrawal or should I be looking at getting more tests done (i.e Thyroid) I was recommended by the hospital doctor to get a thyroid done and a Holter Monitor (I think I said that right)I have had very simular episodes like these, flushing is a big one for me with racing heart,palpitations,shortness of breath usually lasting a half hr to two hrs. If they last too long I will go to the emerg and sometimes my potassium is low. I have had numerous tests for heart and all come back OK. But I also suffer from severe panic attacks, so it all can go together. I have chalked some of it up to menopause. Other times I really feel as though I have something there. Further investigations are ongoing. I hope this helps a little. Since you had a flu when these episodes happened, I suppose it's possible you felt worse because of that. Have the tests your Doc suggests to put your mind at ease somewhat. good luck Julie....
    feelyucky98 1 Replies
    • February 26, 2008
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  • UPDATE ON PROGNOSISMost of the symptoms described above have disappeared over time. Following a strict eating habit that includes Subway if I want to eat fast food, and taking multi-vitamins (Centrium Performance) and a Protein Supplement. I have also slowly reintroduced limited caffeine into my system again usually ordering a Large Double Double half regular, half decaf at Tim Horton's. BUT, now some new symptoms that I have had once before, and a few new ones have come up and they are quite a pain in the behind to deal with.The Symptoms will begin as I go to bed, I am tired and want to sleep, but I have to fight my body to get to sleep as if I have insomnia, once asleep I feel as if I only get 3-4 hours of sleep as the rest of the time I feel like I am half awake. Once I wake up at 6:45am, I go to work, but by 11:00am I am yawning and beginning to feel tired. If I walk into a facility that is big (such as a plant, or Walmart) and look far down, then look at something closely, I get disoriented, a little dizzy, and occasionally nauseated. This will come and go while on my feet until I get behind the wheel when it all disappears and I only feel tired. By about 5:00pm at home my eyes are burning and I feel like I am trying to force myself to stay awake. The disoriented feelings returning as well now that I am out of the car. This will all stick around till I go to bed at 10:00pm at which point the beginning of all of this starts over again fighting myself to go to sleep.Some other symptoms I feel during all of this:-Minor sensitivity to bright light/sunlight where none existed before-Sweating every now and then, as well as when trying to sleep (feeling as if I am overheating but not)-headache that feels localized to one area (more then likely sinus related as I have some sinus problems)Otherwise strength is 100% normal, Vitals, BP is normal at last check I believe it was 125 Systolic and 81 Diastolic as well as no muscle pains, or joint pains.....Looking for any advice, input or helpThanks
    Nascar_Perry 12 Replies Flag this Response
  • Anyone????
    Nascar_Perry 12 Replies Flag this Response
  • I actually meant I get ill in a walmart because of the depth of view, and the distance at what my eyes adjust to versus something close. As an example, I was at Woodbine racetrack this weekend and to look down the length of the grandstand and then focus on something closer by made me disoriented. I did mention 98% of these symptoms and some previous to the first post I made came on the heels of my mother's death where she passed away at 53. I am 26, I have a feeling a lot of this is mental and a weird way for me to deal with her death. I want to get all medical tests and medical possibilities done and aside before seeking therapy which maybe an option.
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  • maybe vertigo...........not that ive had it or know much about it but worth looking into, as u had the flu & it affected ur sinusis could also have affected ur ears which could cause vertigo, it could explain why u feel disorientated & light headed. Sorry about ur loss of ur mum, its never easy. Hope u feel better soon ! :)
    Tootsie 628 Replies Flag this Response
  • What kind of protein supplement are you taking.... I got very ill on one and it inflammed my liver. Be careful. The caffeine will affect your hydration levels which can lead to dizziness-- make sure to drink fluids to make up for the diuretic action of the coffee. Even small amounts of caffeine can cause insomnia in some folks (depends on how your body metabolizes it). You really should look into stopping the caffeine or at least cutting it out after say 11 am. tdwi :rolleyes: UPDATE ON PROGNOSIS Most of the symptoms described above have disappeared over time. Following a strict eating habit that includes Subway if I want to eat fast food, and taking multi-vitamins (Centrium Performance) and a Protein Supplement. I have also slowly reintroduced limited caffeine into my system again usually ordering a Large Double Double half regular, half decaf at Tim Horton's. BUT, now some new symptoms that I have had once before, and a few new ones have come up and they are quite a pain in the behind to deal with.The Symptoms will begin as I go to bed, I am tired and want to sleep, but I have to fight my body to get to sleep as if I have insomnia, once asleep I feel as if I only get 3-4 hours of sleep as the rest of the time I feel like I am half awake. Once I wake up at 6:45am, I go to work, but by 11:00am I am yawning and beginning to feel tired. If I walk into a facility that is big (such as a plant, or Walmart) and look far down, then look at something closely, I get disoriented, a little dizzy, and occasionally nauseated. This will come and go while on my feet until I get behind the wheel when it all disappears and I only feel tired. By about 5:00pm at home my eyes are burning and I feel like I am trying to force myself to stay awake. The disoriented feelings returning as well now that I am out of the car. This will all stick around till I go to bed at 10:00pm at which point the beginning of all of this starts over again fighting myself to go to sleep.Some other symptoms I feel during all of this:-Minor sensitivity to bright light/sunlight where none existed before-Sweating every now and then, as well as when trying to sleep (feeling as if I am overheating but not)-headache that feels localized to one area (more then likely sinus related as I have some sinus problems)Otherwise strength is 100% normal, Vitals, BP is normal at last check I believe it was 125 Systolic and 81 Diastolic as well as no muscle pains, or joint pains.....Looking for any advice, input or helpThanks
    TaylorDeelwithit 382 Replies Flag this Response
  • The protein supplement that I have but have stopped taking it for now is a Soy Protein Mix with Amino Acids
    Nascar_Perry 12 Replies Flag this Response
  • Okay...let's start at the beginning...sounds like you had the flu...drank and drink too much coffee for your system....could have caused yourself to have diabetes or a sugar problem with the high intake...your crummy choice of flu treatment had bad results. You need to look to natural products..go to a health food store and look at all of the choices, along with a decent, good vitamin..you might as well be eating dirt with what you're taking..So, let me tell you about caffeine withdrawal...has knocked me for a loop when told not to drink my one cup of coffee in the morning the morning of a test. By noon, I was vomiting, had a migrane and had to go to bed. It needs to be done gradually, or the Sunrider tea and stevia will take you off coffee and balance your sugar. I think your double double large drink is still too much. Your body may be shutting down. Try to get down to one single. I don't believe that moderation that it is bad.I know the Walmart syndrome. My daughter had that...she says it's the blinding lights that knock her out, so they have a lot of negative vibrations, plus, on a grander scale, they are cosmic and Earth vampires...so even walking in there, a sensitive person could pick up on the psychic vampire energy.I think now your hormones are really wacked out and you should have a workup done by an endocrinologist...along with cutting back on coffee. Try acupuncture for sleep.
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  • Nascar Perry - something evidentally happens in Walmart with you. Why Walmart? You can't dismiss this. I can't even shop at Walmart anymore, I become so ill. I do better in Kmart. I also have trouble in Giant, but I do better in Wegman's. Of course, if I'm in my 'do better' stores and get too close to someone's cell phone repeatedly, even these stores are intolerable, but I have to eat. I have this imtermittent symptom where I will be walking down the steps of my deck - there are 5 of them - and when I get to the final step and go to step onto the sidewalk, I almost fall because it seems like the sidewalk is further away all of a sudden from where I am stepping. Is this what you are experiencing? If you are, you shouldn't dismiss microwave sickness.This could be Walmart, A Factory, Plant, LONG wide open field. Walmart isn't the prime place, I used it as an example for the size of the interior space. As for the Wide Open field, this would be out in the country, at least 70 miles away from hydro wires, cellular signals, etc.
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  • That is the sort of soy protein powder that nailed my liver big time :( .... dangerous supplement for some people imo.http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.htmlwww.whale.to/a/fallon1.html Genisoy was what I used, bought it at Walmart.:( AVOID Soy protein powders..... my liver has been causing pain for me since this happened. I think it possibly triggered my porphyria ; caused a lot of abdominal pain and made it difficult to do any excercising, bending, twisting w/o pain. Pain under ribs and to back. It also caused breast swelling... probably the phyto estrogens in it did this. Perhaps this powder triggered problems for you also... like it did for me. Triggered porphyria pain, elevated the liver enzymes and inflammed it. The high protein alone (as taken in such a supplement) , coupled with caffeine could get you dehydrated enough to have the symtoms you were having. Discuss the supplement use with the next dr you see. Some people (like me who has porphyria) are sensitive to soy .tdwi ;)I also agree with the member who said you need to get checked out by an endocrinologist. quote=Nascar_Perry;87566]The protein supplement that I have but have stopped taking it for now is a Soy Protein Mix with Amino Acids
    TaylorDeelwithit 382 Replies Flag this Response
  • Yes, I meant Factory, and for the field, it is in a location where my Cell phone receives no signal what so ever, bad enough you turn it off, it is the adjustments my eyes have to make that cause the disorientation, changing from short distanced viewing to far off viewing causes some disorientation, and "scanning" does as well...Now yesterday was a pretty good day, minimal tiredness, and virtually no disorientation for the day, but today I am not tired, but feeling disorientation here and there, muscle pain in my left breast area (yes I am a male) and a very minor, barely noticeable headache, sometimes localized. I have also been suffering diarrhea today. The other day I had pains behind the eyes and sensitivity to bright light.... I would enter a room with bright light, squint because of the light and get the pains behind the eyes, then it would disappear as I slowly adjust to the light. But none of that has happened today or yesterday. I do wear glasses and the prescription was adjusted and made current roughly a year and a half ago, and a visual check of my eyes showed everything was fine.
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  • Nascar; Maybe this time Blaze has it right.... that maybe it is the cell phones and EMFs getting you sick after all.;) Yes, I meant Factory, and for the field, it is in a location where my Cell phone receives no signal what so ever, bad enough you turn it off, it is the adjustments my eyes have to make that cause the disorientation, changing from short distanced viewing to far off viewing causes some disorientation, and "scanning" does as well... Now yesterday was a pretty good day, minimal tiredness, and virtually no disorientation for the day, but today I am not tired, but feeling disorientation here and there, muscle pain in my left breast area (yes I am a male) and a very minor, barely noticeable headache, sometimes localized. I have also been suffering diarrhea today. The other day I had pains behind the eyes and sensitivity to bright light.... I would enter a room with bright light, squint because of the light and get the pains behind the eyes, then it would disappear as I slowly adjust to the light. But none of that has happened today or yesterday. I do wear glasses and the prescription was adjusted and made current roughly a year and a half ago, and a visual check of my eyes showed everything was fine.
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  • I have been tested for EMF and other Electromagnetic interferences and nothing was found. I have a very very high tolerance for EMF frequencies
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