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Red eyes all year around

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  • Posted By: OcaOla
  • November 2, 2009
  • 07:01 AM

For the past 4-5 years I have had red eyes all year around. I don't know how it started, I was like 14 years old then and didn't notice or cared about it.

Now I'm 19 years old and it literally destroys my social life. I always think about it and avoid eye contact with people. I know that steroids drops and "clear eyes" exist. I started using that when I was like 17, then I had perfect vision. Now 2 years with steroids (with prescription) and "clear eyes" I don't have perfect vision, I need glasses when I'm driving but can do fine else.
So no more with this, I rather have red eyes than going blind when I'm 30.

So I have to find the cause! I have talked to 3 all-around doctors and 2 eye-doctors. Everyone except one told me that I'm allergic to something, that was it. I told them that I suspect that but can't find out what and need help. They told me that I have to do that myself.

But one eye doctor was good, listen to me, looked for rare eye visual defects, asked questions and really tried to help me. Without any luck. So I guess it's not any Visual defect at least...

I'm allergic to (blood test):

Dogs
My parents have a dog, We had it since I was 8. I live alone now
Never, ever in my life felt allergic when I get in contact with dogs.
Cats
Never, ever in my life felt allergic when I get in contact with cats. I dont have any cat, never had.
Grass
Only in the summer, when I take any histamine antagonist it goes away without a trace.
Little itchy eyes, but most sneeze.
Some pollen
Same as above
Mites
Never felt anything, washing bed sheets every day at 90 degree C for a week don't help my eyes. "Dust Mite protection sheets" don' help.


Nothing more that I know of.

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Winter vacation in a mountain in the middle of the winter, -10 C outside and snowing
Outside an entire day in the middle of the summer with histamine antagonist
Outside an entire day at spring before I get a little allergic, without histamine antagonist
Sitting at my computer from 08:00 when I wake up to 02:00 when I go to sleep (24h clock)


These are 4 different locations/settings, but nothing is worse or better for my eyes. They are still red as usually.

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However, I know 2 things that makes it worse.

The Night
Sleeping

Let me explain, my eyes gets a little more red at 00:00, little more at 01:00 and so on. At about 04:00 it's worst. Then it gets better and at about 08:00 it's like it was a 00:00. :confused:

The other thing, sleeping. If I lay down in my bed watching a movie from 20:00 to 00:00 my eyes are like they always are.
If I lay down in the same bed the next day watching a movie and fell asleep at 22:00 and wake up at 00:00 my eyes are usually really really red. :confused:

And it's often a little worse when I wake up, then gets a little better after an half hour or something. (still gets better if I lay down in my bed, so it has nothing to do with me leaving the bed)

Maybe it has something to do with the light? :confused:

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It's not mold in my apartment that I know of. And this problem is the same in every home I visit. I have lived in 5 locations since this started, same **** everywhere.

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I have tested "moisture" drops with no luck.

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I live healthy, workout 3-4 times a week. Not fat in any way. No other disease. Try to eat healthy but my mom still thinks that I should eat a little more vegetable.
However I do sometimes have eczema in my armpits.

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It's not chronic / permanent! Read below.

About a year ago, I found 100% clean NaCl in my parents medicine cabinet. I have tested eye moisture before but not plain simple NaCl. I toke 1 or 2 drops in each eye before I went to sleep.
When I woke up the next morning I had forgot the NaCl because I was pretty sure it wouldn't help.
I put some clothes on and went to the toilet, when I was about to leave the bathroom I toke a look in the mirror.
:eek:
For the first time in 4 years my eyes where completely white! I just stood there for minutes, I pulled down my eyelids and even far away from my pupil they where white! There's no words to explain how ****ing happy I was, it was the best day of my life. NaCl was the cure, so I thought...

The next day it was the same (little, little, little worse but nothing I cared about). Third day a little worse, so I toke more NaCl. Fourth day worse again, I toke even more NaCl. Fifth day worse, so I get a new NaCl bottle, maybe it needs to be fresh?. Sixth day worse again...
So after a week I understand that NaCl had nothing to do with it?

But at that point I couldn't figure out if I did anything unusually the day before, maybe I ate something? Maybe I didn't do anything I usually do 365 times each year?

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So this is where the Internet comes into my life, I really need help. Maybe someone can think of something, have you tried "x"? Maybe "y" cause the problem? Possible it could be a lack of vitamin "xyz"?
Anything will help, any clue would be helpful.


/OcaOla

(English is my second language, sorry if I don't make myself clear at any point)

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  • Causes of chronic red eyes-Perennial Allergic conjunctivits seems very likely (role for an allergist here?).- You might have lid disease: chronic blepharitis, molluscum contagiosum or tear drainage issues: canniculitis/dacryocystitis-Or dry eyes w/o lid disease- Could be systemic: telenagiectasia? - Syndromes.. any other problems with your body? Hearing? Sight? -Growths (lumps and bumps): inflammed pterygium/pingueculum? Kaposi's sarcoma (unlikely)Tip: STOP EVERYTHING you've been using, STOP putting drops into your eyes.. may be toxicity or sensitivity to drops or its vehicle (preservative). Cease contact lens wear if u do. Stay clean for 2 weeks.Attach a photo of ur eye..
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    • November 2, 2009
    • 07:24 AM
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  • For the past 4-5 years I have had red eyes all year around. I don't know how it started, I was like 14 years old then and didn't notice or cared about it. Now I'm 19 years old and it literally destroys my social life. I always think about it and avoid eye contact with people. I know that steroids drops and "clear eyes" exist. I started using that when I was like 17, then I had perfect vision. Now 2 years with steroids (with prescription) and "clear eyes" I don't have perfect vision, I need glasses when I'm driving but can do fine else.So no more with this, I rather have red eyes than going blind when I'm 30. So I have to find the cause! I have talked to 3 all-around doctors and 2 eye-doctors. Everyone except one told me that I'm allergic to something, that was it. I told them that I suspect that but can't find out what and need help. They told me that I have to do that myself. But one eye doctor was good, listen to me, looked for rare eye visual defects, asked questions and really tried to help me. Without any luck. So I guess it's not any Visual defect at least... I'm allergic to (blood test):DogsMy parents have a dog, We had it since I was 8. I live alone nowNever, ever in my life felt allergic when I get in contact with dogs.CatsNever, ever in my life felt allergic when I get in contact with cats. I dont have any cat, never had.GrassOnly in the summer, when I take any histamine antagonist it goes away without a trace.Little itchy eyes, but most sneeze.Some pollenSame as aboveMitesNever felt anything, washing bed sheets every day at 90 degree C for a week don't help my eyes. "Dust Mite protection sheets" don' help.Nothing more that I know of. ---Winter vacation in a mountain in the middle of the winter, -10 C outside and snowingOutside an entire day in the middle of the summer with histamine antagonistOutside an entire day at spring before I get a little allergic, without histamine antagonistSitting at my computer from 08:00 when I wake up to 02:00 when I go to sleep (24h clock)These are 4 different locations/settings, but nothing is worse or better for my eyes. They are still red as usually. --- However, I know 2 things that makes it worse.The NightSleepingLet me explain, my eyes gets a little more red at 00:00, little more at 01:00 and so on. At about 04:00 it's worst. Then it gets better and at about 08:00 it's like it was a 00:00. :confused: The other thing, sleeping. If I lay down in my bed watching a movie from 20:00 to 00:00 my eyes are like they always are.If I lay down in the same bed the next day watching a movie and fell asleep at 22:00 and wake up at 00:00 my eyes are usually really really red. :confused: And it's often a little worse when I wake up, then gets a little better after an half hour or something. (still gets better if I lay down in my bed, so it has nothing to do with me leaving the bed) Maybe it has something to do with the light? :confused: --- It's not mold in my apartment that I know of. And this problem is the same in every home I visit. I have lived in 5 locations since this started, same **** everywhere. --- I have tested "moisture" drops with no luck. --- I live healthy, workout 3-4 times a week. Not fat in any way. No other disease. Try to eat healthy but my mom still thinks that I should eat a little more vegetable.However I do sometimes have eczema in my armpits. --- It's not chronic / permanent! Read below. About a year ago, I found 100% clean NaCl in my parents medicine cabinet. I have tested eye moisture before but not plain simple NaCl. I toke 1 or 2 drops in each eye before I went to sleep.When I woke up the next morning I had forgot the NaCl because I was pretty sure it wouldn't help.I put some clothes on and went to the toilet, when I was about to leave the bathroom I toke a look in the mirror.:eek:For the first time in 4 years my eyes where completely white! I just stood there for minutes, I pulled down my eyelids and even far away from my pupil they where white! There's no words to explain how ****ing happy I was, it was the best day of my life. NaCl was the cure, so I thought... The next day it was the same (little, little, little worse but nothing I cared about). Third day a little worse, so I toke more NaCl. Fourth day worse again, I toke even more NaCl. Fifth day worse, so I get a new NaCl bottle, maybe it needs to be fresh?. Sixth day worse again...So after a week I understand that NaCl had nothing to do with it? But at that point I couldn't figure out if I did anything unusually the day before, maybe I ate something? Maybe I didn't do anything I usually do 365 times each year? --- So this is where the Internet comes into my life, I really need help. Maybe someone can think of something, have you tried "x"? Maybe "y" cause the problem? Possible it could be a lack of vitamin "xyz"?Anything will help, any clue would be helpful. /OcaOla (English is my second language, sorry if I don't make myself clear at any point) A pink eye is the most obvious symptom of conjunctivitis, so the term "pink eye" often is used for this common eye problem that can have many different causes.Contagious forms of pink eye are usually linked to bacterial or viral infections.All of which involve inflammation of the conjunctiva on the sclera. You mention that your pink eye spread to others, your case must be the viral conjunctivitis. The viral conjunctivitis is highly contagious by the spread of airborne viruses through sneezing and coughing.
    augest 7 Replies
    • December 2, 2009
    • 09:01 AM
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  • hi are you stil suffering take a look here ::: http://www.arthritis-treatment-and-relief.com/rheumatoid-arthritis-and-eyes.html and the next you must look into is::: heart and red eyeshttp://symptoms.wrongdiagnosis.com/cosymptoms/heart-attack/red-eye.htm
    charmaine petzer 176 Replies
    • December 3, 2009
    • 01:39 PM
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  • Apparently I made 2 threads and missed the answers in this one...Other one: http://forums.wrongdiagnosis.com/showthread.php?t=65148Causes of chronic red eyes-Perennial Allergic conjunctivits seems very likely (role for an allergist here?).- You might have lid disease: chronic blepharitis, molluscum contagiosum or tear drainage issues: canniculitis/dacryocystitis-Or dry eyes w/o lid disease- Could be systemic: telenagiectasia? - Syndromes.. any other problems with your body? Hearing? Sight? -Growths (lumps and bumps): inflammed pterygium/pingueculum? Kaposi's sarcoma (unlikely)I googled those names and can't say that any of them seems fit for me. No visible lumps/bumps anywhere on my body. But some are hard for me to know I guess, like tear drainage. I don't "cry" for nothing and if I cry I get a runny nose.No other problem, my hearing is perfect. Sight OK, need glasses when I'm driving. Tip: STOP EVERYTHING you've been using, STOP putting drops into your eyes.. may be toxicity or sensitivity to drops or its vehicle (preservative). Cease contact lens wear if u do. Stay clean for 2 weeks.I have tested that with no luck.Attach a photo of ur eye..A while ago I took 3 pictures, I had to use a flash and it's like the flash cancel out all the small bloodveins and makes them invisible. So that's why I haven't posted them before, I don't think they capture the problem correctly.(Flash is located far from lens, else I do get "red eyes" in photograph so I bet I don't have cancer. And I made my pupil b/w because I'm paranoid... :) )Like I said, 3 pictures, one at 17:56 when I decided to take a naphttp://img682.imageshack.us/i/1756r.jpg/Then another picture 1 hour later when I woke up, 19:06http://img109.imageshack.us/i/1906e.jpg/And third picture after another 1 hour, 20:55http://img691.imageshack.us/i/2055.jpg/A pink eye is the most obvious symptom of conjunctivitis, so the term "pink eye" often is used for this common eye problem that can have many different causes. Contagious forms of pink eye are usually linked to bacterial or viral infections. All of which involve inflammation of the conjunctiva on the sclera. You mention that your pink eye spread to others, your case must be the viral conjunctivitis. The viral conjunctivitis is highly contagious by the spread of airborne viruses through sneezing and coughing.Ehh, I didn't? If I did it's just a typo or a cause of my bad English. To clarify, It does not spread to others.hi are you stil suffering Yep, still destroying my social life. take a look here ::: http://www.arthritis-treatment-and-relief.com/rheumatoid-arthritis-and-eyes.htmlOk... As far as I know I dont have Rheumatoid arthritis. Or is it possible that I have RA without knowing it and then be one of those 1% that got eyeproblem? But I will read more on that site.Thanks for the link! and the next you must look into is::: heart and red eyeshttp://symptoms.wrongdiagnosis.com/cosymptoms/heart-attack/red-eye.htmHeart attack?! I have had this problem since I was like 13. Even if I have had one I dont have any of these problems:Results: Causes of Heart attack AND Red eye 1. Chemical burn - ingestion2. Chemical poisoning3. Crystal meth addiction4. Kawasaki disease
    OcaOla 7 Replies
    • January 30, 2010
    • 01:11 AM
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  • Hey, how are you doing? I'm the 'Unregistered' user from before. Looking at the pics of your eyes, it doesnt really look that bad! I stick to my original diagnosis of perenial allergic conjunctivitis. I think the best thing for you is to avoid that list of items which you are allegric to. When summer comes and you need to contact grass, get an antihistamine-Mast cell stabiliser combi, olopatadine 0.1%/0.2% (Patanol works wonders!) 1-2 weeks before the season. When the eyes are VERY red, a steroid would benefit you.The main thing is, your eyes arent that red, try not to worry too much, your lids also look fine, no signs of blepharitis. If you are really concerned cosmetically (e.g. you have a party to attend but don't want red eyes), use an ocular decongestant like Naphcon-A/ forte. But DO NOT do it often as it cause REBOUND redness and could mask other diseases.
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  • Hey, how are you doing? I'm the 'Unregistered' user from before. Looking at the pics of your eyes, it doesnt really look that bad! I stick to my original diagnosis of perenial allergic conjunctivitis. I think the best thing for you is to avoid that list of items which you are allegric to.Hi again. The thing is that I do try to avoid the things. But it has no effect at all. Simply as that, no effect if I avoid it or not.And antihistamine and/or "sodium cromoglycate"(?) does not help at all.When summer comes and you need to contact grass, get an antihistamine-Mast cell stabiliser combi, olopatadine 0.1%/0.2% (Patanol works wonders!) 1-2 weeks before the season. When the eyes are VERY red, a steroid would benefit you.When the summer comes and I do feel allergic I take antihistamine and it works like a charm, no sneezing, no itchy eyes, and less red eyes. The eyes just look like on the winter when I'm not(?) allergic.So I don't think the redness is caused by allergic the whole year. However "antihistamine-Mast cell stabiliser combi, olopatadine 0.1%/0.2% (Patanol works wonders!)" sounds like something different? Maybe worth trying out?The main thing is, your eyes arent that red, try not to worry too much, your lids also look fine, no signs of blepharitis. If you are really concerned cosmetically (e.g. you have a party to attend but don't want red eyes), use an ocular decongestant like Naphcon-A/ forte. But DO NOT do it often as it cause REBOUND redness and could mask other diseases.I have something similar that I use sometimes. Thanks for the reply!My latest theory is that my eyes don't get 'recovered' when I sleep, maybe tear production is not working as it should. Thus resulting in irritated eyes the whole day because they cant relax on the night...
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  • Today when I woke up my right eye was decent good in redness but my left eye was very red and I had little yellowish discharge from it.But this is normal, today it was the left eye and it will probably go back to normal tomorrow or the day after that. In about 3-6 weeks it will happen again, I will wake up with 1 very red eye. Might be the right next time.
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  • If you find a cure for your condition I would be very pleased to know. My eyes have been red for a year and no amount of antibiotics/steroid drops/injections even come close to helping. Its ruining my social life. I'm embarrassed to work or do anything where people can see my eyes.... However my eyes are much reder than yours judging from those pictures... I don't have a camera to show you mine however... The doctors say that my veins are growing over my corneas and nothing seems to stop the growth or any redness... artificial tears provide no relief from the dry eye that comes with this...
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  • I forgot to mention I am also a 19 year old male with no allergies.I have also had some chronic sore throat for the year before that is now gone just as a got chronic red eye... this may also be unrelated but i have had tendinitis (sore tendon) in my left leg for 4 weeks. bleh nothing on my body seems to heal properly. Anyway I would love to try and bounce ideas in this thread. A certain type of adenovirus (type 8?) has been seen in patients causing chronic red eye for long durations. http://www.chlamydiae.com/restricted/docs/infections/adult_conjunctivitis.aspI also experience occasional fuzzy eye(s) (mainly my right eye is affected... my right eye also suffers Ptosis making me me look stoned all the time)
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