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Nightly Reflux/No Relief (Tried Everything!) HELP!

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  • Posted By: Anonymous
  • March 1, 2007
  • 04:04 PM

I'm 24, and have had reflux/heartburn badly every single night for the past (almost) year now.
Recently I went to a doctor and had a Barium swallow test - that said I was fine.
I had a blood test - perfect.
I heart scan - great!

There seems to be nothing wrong with me except I'm up nights because I can't lie down without getting the feeling of needing to burp that I have no relief from.
I've tried almost every type of GERD/Reflux meds on the market - nexium (esomeprazole magnesium), Zantac and etc.

It's not my diet either - because if I don't eat, I get it... if I do eat... I get it.

I have no other symptoms but the reflux, but I can't seem to shake it.

Please help!

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  • How much water do you drink before going to bed?Have you tried alternative medicine? Perhaps a Doctor of Oriental Medicine?Do you know if you have any food allergies or allergies to chemicals? (detergents, fragrance, food additives, msg, etc.)You don't mention if you drink, drink coffee, work out, if you are overweight, etc. Also It would be great to know what you eat and if you take any supplements. Have you tried avoiding milk, sugar, wheat?
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  • Sometimes I don't drink any water - but usually when it's bothering me, I drink quite a bit.I haven't really tried alternative remedies, but I've tried Chinese pharmacutical-like over the counter stuff - with the same result (i.e none).No food allergies that I know, but I haven't avoided milk, wheat and sugar. But when I've fasted, I've still had reflux... so I was doubtful that food was the key.Sorry for not mentioning the rest, I feel like I exhausted all these other options with my doctor.- perfectly healthy, don't work out, but get a decent amount of exercise walking to work, home and sometimes swimming, weight normal.- perhaps drink a glass of wine once every week to two weeks max (don't go over my limit, but I find when I do have a glass it helps me sleep).- drink coffee some days, but when I thought it could be the caffine affecting my reflux, I had a few days without chocolate or coffee and found no noticible difference.I'll definiately ask a friend about alternative remedies as it's the only thing left to check off on the list. :D
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  • Well my friend- drink half your body weight in ounces of water- It should be aprox. 9+ glasses of water a day. Your stomach alone needs to produce one glass of digestive juice every hour. If you don't drink clean pure water there is no chance to make good digestive juice. No digestive juice equals poor digestion. The stomach dries out and starts getting out of shape, so the juices start moving up. This is all well documented in the book "Your Body Many Cries for Water".Drink it up gradually and slowly, since you are not used to it. When you feel like eating something sweet or salty, drink a glass of water first. You are probably misunderstanding your body's messages.Try it, it should work, at least reducing the symptoms. But you need to do this for at least a month to see if it reverses your problem.By the way, I practice what I preach. I drink a gallon of spring water every 12 hours. I no longer use/need tylenol, benadryl, anti acids, etc.Take Care-Eatafruit78/
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  • "No food allergies that I know, but I haven't avoided milk, wheat and sugar. But when I've fasted, I've still had reflux... so I was doubtful that food was the key." Nope. IgG food allergies are slow acting allergic reactions that typically occur between 2 hours and 7 days after eating the wrong type of food. If it is a common ingredient (like wheat, milk, refined sugars, soy, corn, tomato, etc) the cascade of daily reactions stacking on each other can make it take weeks if not months or years for the allergic chain reactions to wear off & the body to be completely rid of stored up allergens. Wheat intolerance/Celiac accounts for approximately 1 in 7 of all cases of reflux - specifically this rate is higher in the cases that do not respond to typical pharmacuetical treatment. And wheat isn't the only food that causes IgG allergies (these do not show up on typical allergy tests that are looking for severe and immediate reactions)
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  • Wow.Thanks so much guys. I'll try both of these. Eliminating wheat products for a few weeks and drinking plenty of water!(Does the water count if you drink tea - like ginger and green tea? Or should it be just plain?)And we'll see how I go.
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  • Try to go with plain water. Remember that some tea/infusion blends contain caffeine. Make sure you consume enough sea salt and iodine in your diet, you don't want to have one of those rare but dangerous water intoxications.BestEatafruit78.
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  • Read up on apple cider vinegar. I've read lots of people swear by it for acid reflux and have even gotten off of meds. Since you have the problem sitting up or laying down I guess it won't help you to elevate the head of your bed, but I would try some trigger point massage work on the muscle just below your sternum.
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  • try 2 pieces of raw potato just before bed. I used to have that problem and haven't had for years and somebody told me about the potatoe fix. Worked for me. Good luck
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  • I had the same problem, I was aciphex and it helped. About a month ago syptoms were getting worse and my doctor gave me protonix and librax. So far I have been very happy with it. The protonix stops the acid and the librax helps with spasms in the esphagus and is also a sedeative. Anyways this really has been working for me, you might want to look into it.---------jay
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  • Taken from an IBS siteWhy Antacids Should NOT be Taken When you eat, food enters the stomach. Pepsinogen, one of many digestive chemicals, is secreted by the peptic and mucous cells of the gastric glands in response to the expansion of the stomach walls. When pepsinogen is first secreted it has no enzymatic or digestive properties. However, as soon as it comes in contact with hydrochloric acid, the pepsinogen is formed into pepsin. Pepsin is an active Proteolytic enzyme, but is active ONLY in a highly acid medium (optimum pH 1.8 to 3.5). If stomach environment rises above pH 5.0 pepsin has very little proteolytic activity and becomes "completely inactivated" in a short time. Therefore, hydrochloric acid is as necessary as pepsin for protein digestion in the stomach. Not enough stomach acid, "Achlorhydria" is much more of an issue than too much acid. The reason people get "heartburn" is because of a compromised stomach wall, not because of too much hydrochloric acid.Do you actually know what happens when you take antacids? When you take antacids, stomach acid is decreased to a point where pepsin cannot be made. Therefore, the ability of the stomach to digest food, especially protein, is decreased or stopped. Unfortunately, this allows food to pass through the stomach undigested; therefore, the food you eat is unabsorbed. Another problem with antacids is that in order for calcium to be absorbed you need protein and pepsin in an acid environment. Decreased acid also contributes to the removal of calcium from the bloodstream. This leads to a decreased quantity of calcium in the blood, which can contribute to Osteoporosis, muscle cramping and other maladies. Since calcium can only be absorbed in an acid environment, adding calcium to anti-acids does not decrease the risk of osteoporosisAs we age, if we could pinpoint one thing that leads to digestive problems, what would it be? Some would say not eating enough, or eating too much of the wrong foods. Others might worry about getting enough water, or increasing incidences of indigestion. But perhaps the most common thing that goes wrong with our digestion as we age-and the root of many digestive problems-is a condition known as hypochlorhydria. This is very simply the underproduction of hydrochloric acid, or stomach acid.Hypochlorhydria is quite common and becomes more prevalent with age. It occurs in about 15 percent of the population. Among people who are worried enough about symptoms to see a doctor, 50 percent are diagnosed with it. By age 40, 40 percent of the population is affected, and by age 60, 50 percent. A person over age 40 who visits a doctor's office has about a 90 percent probability of having hypochlorhydria.Unfortunately, one of the difficulties associated with "hypochlorhydria" is that it is often misdiagnosed as the opposite-as having too much stomach acid. This is because both conditions share the same symptoms-bloating, belching, burning, flatulence, indigestion, and gassiness-and, perhaps, because there is an easy "remedy" for too much stomach acid: antacids. However, antacids can be a large part of the problem.Antacids buffer the stomach from the HCL, which also blocks it from doing its part in the digestive process. Thus, someone who has too little HCL and who takes antacids will have even less HCL available to do its digestive job. Antacids also change the stomach's pH, which can adversely affect the "good" bacteria. Taking antacids, then, can make the problem of hypochlorhydria even worse.As mentioned, hypochlorhydria can be difficult to diagnose, and many health practitioners treat this conditionas too much stomach acid. When looking for ways to support HCL, the first and simplest solution is to take something that will help you digest foods well. Doing so will ensure that you get the nutrition you need and lessen the possibility of foods rotting in your intestines, leading to the onset of dysbiosis.An easy way to aid digestion is to take digestive enzymes. These help the enzymes created naturally by the pancreas; thus, foods are digested more quickly and more completely. When choosing a digestive enzyme, choose one that contains a wide spectrum of enzymes. This is important because the macronutrients found in foods are "enzyme-specific"-a specific enzyme works on a specific macronutrient. For example, any formula you take should include lipase to digest fats, protease to digest protein, and amylase to digest carbohydrates. It would also do well to include cellulase to digest fiber, sucrase to digest white sugar, and maltase to digest malt sugar. The enzyme supplement that I take with meals works wonders for me. I have found it to be the most effective and the most economical. http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C42513.html"The HCL concentration in the stomach is variable, depending upon several factors, including rate of secretion of gastric juice and the type of food eaten. It serves the following functions: converts pepsinogen into pepsin and produces an acid medium favorable for the activityof pepsin; dissolves and disintegrates nucleoproteins and collagen; hydrolyses sucrose; precipitates caseinogen; inhibits multiplication of bacteria, esp. putrefactive organisms which ferment lactic acid and certain pathogenic forms; stimulates secretion by the duodenum; inhibits the action of ptyalin and thus stops salivary digestion in the stomach.Average amount found in the food content is small because of dilution and neutralization by alkaline contents. In pernicious anemia HCL is absent from the stomach(achlorhydria)Taber's cyclopedic medical dictionary
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