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Need Help With 7 Year Old

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  • Posted By: carolynmac4
  • October 24, 2007
  • 03:04 AM

I Have A Seven Year Old That Is Very Hyper In Has Trouble Being Quit And Staying In His Sit At School Or Church Or Any Where He Has Been On Every Kind Of Adhd Med ( Adderall,ritlin ,concerta,stratera ,methaphmine) None Of This Worked It Made Him Worse He Has Never Slept Thru The Night Without The Help Of Meds He Has Taken Clondine And Tenex And Now All We Give Him Is Melatonin He Was Diagnosed With Obstructive Sleep Apnea In Which They Took His Tonsils And Adnoids Out But It Has Not Helped At All Can Someone Please Advise We Don't Know What Else To Do

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  • I'm the special education teacher here. If he has not already been evaluated for special education, you need to request it. If he does not qualify, he qualifies for a 504 plan. He can have both a 504 plan and an IEP, but schools usually do one or the other. The school needs to bring in a behavior specialist, and most states can bring one in through the state department office. The behavior specialist must put him on a very structured plan and you must insist that the school follow the plan. Get an advocate from the state department to help you with the school plan. But, you have to follow through with your part at home. Don't expect school to do your share.Since he is not my student, I can tell you what I observe in these situations. First, diet is the most important thing right now for him. Study nutrition. No more pop, candy, desserts, chips, fast food...no MSG, no food coloring...very very strick with the diet, and likewise, what is good for him, will be good for the entire family. You may need to even cut out wheat and dairy. This should make the initial huge difference. Then, address TV...limit it to like an hour a day. He doesn't need it...you may, but it's a bad influence. Get him into an activity, like art classes, sports, karate or something that he can have fun doing...maybe Boy Scouts. Lastly, watch Super Nannie...learn from her. She is terrific.
    Monsterlove 2921 Replies
    • October 24, 2007
    • 07:46 AM
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  • beleive me lady we have done all of this for years we had to force him to even eat anything he is just now starting to eat and gain weight do you have children do you have a hyper child and i mean really hyoer i used to look at people who had children like this and make my own opinon until i got one of my own being a special ed teacher you only have them a few hours a day and then they go home is there anyone out there with sugestions our dr is out of the arkansas childrens hospital which is rated in the top ten in the united states we have trird to get the best help we could
    carolynmac4 7 Replies
    • October 26, 2007
    • 03:49 AM
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  • Have your MD evaluate him for autistism, then, too...join a local parent support group in your area. There are plenty who are in your shoes.
    Monsterlove 2921 Replies
    • October 26, 2007
    • 08:33 AM
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  • Car9o6hjac4 - I too teach children who experience barriers to learning and believe me, it is not so easy as just handing the child back to his/her mother - these children become a part of your life. In fact the amount of time they spend with their teacher far outweighs the time they spend with their own parents. Nevertheless, reading your post makes me think that firstly, you need to get some help for yourself and then you might be able to tolerate your child's behaviour better. Who knows, maybe he won't even look as bad as you make him out to be. Secondly, he has been on A LOT of medication for his young life. Maybe he is going through a 'cold turkey' stage, trying to rid all these medicines out of his little body. Think about it. Take care
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 26, 2007
    • 09:28 AM
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  • Hi Carolyn. I can relate to your troubles. I'm a mother of 6 children and my 7 year old was recently diagnosed with mild mental retardation. I hope I can give you some good advise. Get her tested as much as possible if you have a local ISD. Our kids go to Christian school so we don't qualify for services through the ISD so we took her to a Neurosychologist. They recommended that we put her on drugs for ADHD. They thought it would help her focus in school. ADHD and ADD drugs are listed in the same catagories as Cocaine. I can't put my daughter on that. Therefore I just signed up with Shaklee because we wanted to try the natural route. I've heard many testimonials about children with hyperactivity trouble that have been cured just by taking food suppliments (vitamins). Shaklee is not vitamins though, it's definately food suppliments. A Candida Cleanse would be a great place to start. Many children have too much yeast built up in their bodies and this causes behavioral problems. Fish oil is good, calcium magnesium and there are more. I can't stress enough that you should not just go to the store and buy vitamins because they have added sugar and food coloring and preservatives etc. Shaklee does not add any of this. If you want more information let me know. I could maybe get you some testimonials or something to start with. God Bless.
    PatsyV 1 Replies
    • October 26, 2007
    • 04:14 PM
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  • Car9o6hjac4 - I too teach children who experience barriers to learning and believe me, it is not so easy as just handing the child back to his/her mother - these children become a part of your life. In fact the amount of time they spend with their teacher far outweighs the time they spend with their own parents. Nevertheless, reading your post makes me think that firstly, you need to get some help for yourself and then you might be able to tolerate your child's behaviour better. Who knows, maybe he won't even look as bad as you make him out to be. Secondly, he has been on A LOT of medication for his young life. Maybe he is going through a 'cold turkey' stage, trying to rid all these medicines out of his little body. Think about it. Take care I agree with this lady. And for the Catholic school lady, your local public school is required by Federal law to do the testing for you. They need to work something out with the school. http://www.ncea.org/public/IDEASpecialEducation.aspRespond to this so I know you got this information.
    Monsterlove 2921 Replies
    • October 26, 2007
    • 11:28 PM
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  • i do thank all of you for your respones but none of you have mentioned the fact that i said he has obstrutive sleep apnea we have wnt for help he has been tested at the arkansas childrens hospital for adhd /add bipolar and all beleive me after 7 years of hardly no sleep i have even done research with the mayo clinic do you realize there are 50 others things that can have the same systoms as adhd and look lady if if were me that need ed the help why does the school call me i have 13 neices and nephews i had a daughter that would be 26 now this is not my first go around i am 43 years old he is avery smart child he tested very high on all the test at the childrens hospital above average he scores too high for special ed this is a very loving child one minute and a very violent one the next we have had furniture broken and beleive me he gets plenty of spankings all that does is make him madder i have videoed this and taken it with me to the hospital all the drs could do is hold their mouth open at the sight of what such a small child could do our pastor and his sumday school teacher have tried talking with him nothing has got his attention our mayor even asked him was she going to have to send the police to the school and all said was so look we have gotten desperate here
    carolynmac4 7 Replies
    • October 27, 2007
    • 03:33 AM
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  • Check out "NAET"www.naet.com...or the book "Is this your child?", don't know the author. Honey, I know the last thing you need is more research to conduct, but if you are serious about getting help, try that. I hope you have someone to help you out...sleep deprivation is horrible. Best of luck.
    sammyk 3 Replies
    • October 27, 2007
    • 04:48 AM
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  • Sounds to me like this problem should be approached in a different way. How about a Doctor of Oriental Medicine to assess him ? An alt doc that may look at his adrenal function ? He may also be a high functiong autistic in some ways. There has to be a serious imbalance in his systems that lead to this behaviour, so an alt doc may help.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 27, 2007
    • 07:04 PM
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  • Your school and you totally misunderstand special education and their legal obligations under the law. I am not a doctor, so I cannot comment on the sleep disorder. I know there are specialists in that field at this time. I truly believe your child may be autistic. Your medical doctor needs to decide if this is true. Autistic children come in at all spectrums of the intelligence scale, so your son could even be gifted yet still qualify for special education under the category of autism. If not that, he qualifies under the category of Other Health Impaired, which has nothing to do with his IQ or how smart he is. He has a documented medical condition that impacts his education. He may also qualify for special education under the category of Emotional Disability. Often, the psychologist makes this decision and usually some sexual abuse plays into that diagnosis. The school psychologist should decide the best category for your child, but you need the medical documents to support him qualifying. Your school must be the ones to come up with a program for him. They need to stop calling you and asking you how to educate your son. They are the experts. You must contact your state department and request a special education advocate. The advocate will insure that your child has an appropriate education until he is 22 or graduates from high school. I cannot help you if you don't take the steps that I have outlined for you:1. contact state department of education; request advocate2. have austism disability confirmed by a medical doctor or have doctor diagnose with ADHD and give to school the diagnosis. He can be both autistic and adhd3. contact parent support group4. request Multi-disciplinary Team Meeting for special education determination.5. request school brings in specialist to work up a program for behavior for school and home; request second Team meeting with behavior specialist there to discuss behavior plan for school and home. There is no way this child does not qualify for special education. At the very least, your school should have put him on a 504 plan a long time ago. If they refuse to do the above, file a formal complaint with your state department. Their Federal funds can be withheld if they are found in violation of Federal law.
    Monsterlove 2921 Replies
    • October 28, 2007
    • 07:24 AM
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  • i gree with what you are saying our school is a small school and i have been going around and round with them i have given them the papers from his dr they claimed they did not receive the dr faxed them to them again they claimed they did not receive
    carolynmac4 7 Replies
    • October 30, 2007
    • 03:25 AM
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  • When you take your child to school, deliver the papers to the secretary and have her give you a receipt. They do not need the doctor's paperwork to begin this process. They must, by Federal law, convene a meeting since you asked for it. They must give you a meeting notice with at least ten days before the meeting. They must give you your "parental rights" and a "prior written notice" before and after the meeting. They will have 60 days to complete everything. Ask for an "Occupational Therapy" evaluation, too...most times, ADHD kids can't write well. If they fail to give you a meeting call your state department of education and file a complaint. Ask them if it's worth loosing their federal money for not being in compliance. The state department has resources to help smaller schools. They just aren't stepping up to the plate. First thing, get that advocate from the state department and she/he will make them accountable. Do it today.Also, if you have insurance, see the doctor again for autism...you just need it by the last meeting, which may be 60 days from today, so you won't need to rush it.
    Monsterlove 2921 Replies
    • October 30, 2007
    • 05:29 AM
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  • Can I ask a question? is the little boy adopted? reason i ask is, we had similar problems with an adopted child in our family, who was adopted at 5 months......those first 5 months are when babys bond..... problems were always there with this little boy but seemed to get worse when he was about 5-6 and it turned out eventually when we got him assessed properly that he had besides a slew of things he was born with, fetal alcholal syndrome which slowed down his attention span, but he had reactive attachment disorder. It took a lot of work as anyone who has dealt with anyone with this disorder will know....but there is light at the end of the tunnel.....good luck i can understand the stress your whole family must be under, we always want the best for our kids....
    Heartsore 14 Replies
    • October 30, 2007
    • 05:51 PM
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  • Sounds to me like this problem should be approached in a different way. How about a Doctor of Oriental Medicine to assess him ? An alt doc that may look at his adrenal function ? He may also be a high functiong autistic in some ways. There has to be a serious imbalance in his systems that lead to this behaviour, so an alt doc may help. YES, YES, YES! Good post, Ralph. Please look into acupuncture and Chinese herbal Medicine. Please also consider a treatment called NAET (Nambudripad Allergy Elimination Techniques) which treats autism and ADD/ADHD with great success. Chinese Herbal medicine is brilliant. If you can find a doc who uses low level laser technology, this would be great. Visit www.acufinder.com to find a practitioner near you. Western allopathic medicine just doesn't get to the CAUSE of pediatric behavior disorders IMO. Try a different approach. Best wishesDOM
    acuann 3080 Replies
    • October 30, 2007
    • 06:19 PM
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  • Please also consider a treatment called NAET (Nambudripad Allergy Elimination Techniques) which treats autism and ADD/ADHD with great success.Ive heard of NAET does this treatment help with autoimmune diseases??? cant find anyone in toronto practising
    Heartsore 14 Replies
    • October 30, 2007
    • 09:48 PM
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  • Please also consider a treatment called NAET (Nambudripad Allergy Elimination Techniques) which treats autism and ADD/ADHD with great success. Ive heard of NAET does this treatment help with autoimmune diseases??? cant find anyone in toronto practising I met several people from Ontario at my advanced NAET training class in Los Angeles...cannot remember their names, but have you checked on www.naet.com and looked up practitioners? There is a naturopath and European trained MD who I met who is located in North York, Ontario - is that near Toronto? Her name is Dr. Zilia Goreshnik. Best wishesDOM
    acuann 3080 Replies
    • October 31, 2007
    • 02:58 AM
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  • Yes north york is pretty close to me...thanks a bunch...i'll look the contact up tomorrow^5
    Heartsore 14 Replies
    • November 2, 2007
    • 01:28 AM
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