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Nausea, bloating, fatigue AFTER BM

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  • Posted By: Anonymous
  • February 2, 2007
  • 03:44 AM

I have been looking for an answer for years. I have been diagnosed IBS, but it does not seem right. First, I am usually perfectly regular (1/day)and can still be miserable. There is not any real pain, crampy or otherwise, and the symptoms are caused, not relieved, by moving my bowels.
Soon after BM, nausea and bloating (w/distension) begin. These can be very bad. I can also 'swoon', feels like a drop in BP, and be very weak, fatigued, cold, dizzy and mental fog. In general, PM is better than AM, just because the longer the time after the BM, the better I feel. I can go 3-4 days (w 1 BM/day)sometimes and feel basically good w/ little gastro symptoms at all, then suddenly (after BM will start it) be bad. If I have more than 1 BM/day, I will feel bad for sure.If I should miss my BM a day, I will feel good.
I have had many tests- colonoscopy, endoscopy, blood work(parasites,H Pylori, occult blood, liver function, more) , ekg, barium swallow, allergy tests and more. Endo showed something DR thought was Barrett's, did biopsy, but came back negative. He put me on PPIs. (never have heartburn) Sometimes they helped for a while, but seem to end up making me tend toward diarea, and therefore I feel worse than without them and I quit. Another gastroDR saw my endo pics and said it looked like 'irratation'. These confusing results are the only results I have from so many tests.
Had a homeopathic type DR say I need liver detox, that BM action causes reflux back into upper GI due to bad liver function. He wanted me to order meds from an online place that would not tell me what they were, but were prepared to take about 2 hundred bucks. DR was hard to understand and a little wierd, but some people swear by him. I feel a clean and detox might be of some value, but sometimes I feel good, so I am so confused.
Can anybody make sense of these symptoms? Got any clues? I can rarely find any similar cases to compare to after extensive searches for years.
Thanks, Pete, new guy

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  • Hi Pete. Wish I had the answer. I'm responding beause your symptoms sound like mine. My primary symptom is episodic profound fatigue ... it began with an 8 day episode this past August, then I was fine til another 11 day episode in November. Since November it has come and gone. In retrospect I believe it was brought on by a course of antibiotics post dental implants, then exacerbated by antibiotics on several occasions this winter. (I realized the antibiotic connection last week and will avoid them like the plague) When I get up in the AM I feel normal, then, like you, my fatigue will set in after a BM and it will often be devastating in its severity. As the day goes on it will usually dissipate and I may feel fine by evening. Strangely, my migraine med (imitrex) will often relieve the fatigue, if only temporarily. I have the abdominal bloating as well. C diff toxins came back negative, all labs normal. I refuse to have chrinic fatigue syndrome. I thought my next step would be a GI doc but from what you've said that doesn't sound promising.Frustrating, no???
    BeeBee1948 4 Replies
    • February 25, 2007
    • 07:39 PM
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  • Hi Pete. Wish I had the answer. I'm responding beause your symptoms sound like mine. My primary symptom is episodic profound fatigue ... it began with an 8 day episode this past August, then I was fine til another 11 day episode in November. Since November it has come and gone. In retrospect I believe it was brought on by a course of antibiotics post dental implants, then exacerbated by antibiotics on several occasions this winter. (I realized the antibiotic connection last week and will avoid them like the plague) When I get up in the AM I feel normal, then, like you, my fatigue will set in after my gut awakens and it will often be devastating in its severity. As the day goes on it will usually dissipate and I may feel fine by evening. Strangely, my migraine med (imitrex) will often relieve the fatigue, if only temporarily. I have the abdominal bloating as well. C diff toxins came back negative, all labs normal. I refuse to have chrinic fatigue syndrome. I thought my next step would be a GI doc but from what you've said that doesn't sound promising.Frustrating, no???
    BeeBee1948 4 Replies
    • February 25, 2007
    • 07:40 PM
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  • oops ... sorry. didn't realize the first one posted.
    BeeBee1948 4 Replies
    • February 25, 2007
    • 07:42 PM
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  • BEEBEE-Yeah, it's frustrating fer sure. I also avoid the anti's now. I never seem to match others exactly, and Dr.s never seem to get results. Lately, I am checking out more natural treatments and keep ending up at http://drnatura.com/ I think I will do this program. Check it out, I read several testamonials from folkes that said thier migranes were GONE after this treatment. Maybe we could try it 'together'. Please get back, Pete
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • February 25, 2007
    • 11:45 PM
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  • If you're concerned about the supplements the homeopathic doctor suggested, you can take other liver detox herbs. My mom had liver damage after an accidental carbon monoxide poisoning, so our naturopath put her on a milk thistle supplement for about a month. After a few days she was feeling much better. Milk thistle can be too harsh for some people, but she said that dandelion was also a great liver detoxifier and much gentler. You don't have to buy either of those online, you can get them at a health food store. Dandelion also comes in a tea format, I believe. They might not help you, but these remedies are pretty inexpensive, so it can't hurt to try.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • February 26, 2007
    • 03:29 AM
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  • Morning Pete. I've heard of this colonic cleansing but always poo-poo'd it (lousy pun intended :) ) How did you come across this site? In any case, you have a deal .. I'm ordering it now. I can't face another doc telling me to take vitamins and get some rest.By the way ... along with the mind-numbing fatigue I get mild chills... it actually FEELS toxic. You?
    BeeBee1948 4 Replies
    • February 26, 2007
    • 00:15 PM
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  • I have been looking for an answer for years. I have been diagnosed IBS, but it does not seem right. First, I am usually perfectly regular (1/day)and can still be miserable. There is not any real pain, crampy or otherwise, and the symptoms are caused, not relieved, by moving my bowels. Soon after BM, nausea and bloating (w/distension) begin. These can be very bad. I can also 'swoon', feels like a drop in BP, and be very weak, fatigued, cold, dizzy and mental fog. In general, PM is better than AM, just because the longer the time after the BM, the better I feel. I can go 3-4 days (w 1 BM/day)sometimes and feel basically good w/ little gastro symptoms at all, then suddenly (after BM will start it) be bad. If I have more than 1 BM/day, I will feel bad for sure.If I should miss my BM a day, I will feel good.I have had many tests- colonoscopy, endoscopy, blood work(parasites,H Pylori, occult blood, liver function, more) , ekg, barium swallow, allergy tests and more. Endo showed something DR thought was Barrett's, did biopsy, but came back negative. He put me on PPIs. (never have heartburn) Sometimes they helped for a while, but seem to end up making me tend toward diarea, and therefore I feel worse than without them and I quit. Another gastroDR saw my endo pics and said it looked like 'irratation'. These confusing results are the only results I have from so many tests.Had a homeopathic type DR say I need liver detox, that BM action causes reflux back into upper GI due to bad liver function. He wanted me to order meds from an online place that would not tell me what they were, but were prepared to take about 2 hundred bucks. DR was hard to understand and a little wierd, but some people swear by him. I feel a clean and detox might be of some value, but sometimes I feel good, so I am so confused.Can anybody make sense of these symptoms? Got any clues? I can rarely find any similar cases to compare to after extensive searches for years. Thanks, Pete, new guyHi there my symtoms are identical to yours i cant believe ive found someone with exactly the same symtoms i have been suffering for a long time had every test in the book and they all come back normal im at my wits end i take metaclopimide anti sickness which help a lot but im ok sometimes and other times i have to lay down its so bad and i get lower left pain as well in back.i cant tell you what it is but i can feel ya pain im sick of taking pills and not knowing if ya wana keep in touch my email is jeff.williams1968@btinternet.com cheers jeff
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  • Firstly, let me state here that your description of IBS sounds very similar to that which is published online and references a purely technical or clinical definition. This does not constitute the variable symptoms experienced by persons with IBS, the range of which spans far greater than the boundaries of the definition itself that more accurately only represents the average presentation. The relapsing/remitting symptoms you describe are actually one of the most revealing and constitutional components of Irritable Bowel Syndrome and you should be aware that the nature of this disorder can be very debilitating for some patients. Nausea, sweating, sharp pains, light-headedness and even syncope or fainting have been known to occur both during and immediately subsequent to bowel movements by persons with IBS, most commonly the constipation predominant type. Constipation, however, is not a requirement and the range of difficulty encountered by the colonic musculature to produce a bowel movement is quite broad. Changes in size of the stool might also indicate the more accurate nature of the effects by IBS. Many patients feel far worse when the stool is small in diameter, more ribbon-like in appearance and associated with a bowel movement that requires a longer period of time on the toilet in order to feel evacuated. Even then, some sufferers feel as though they still need to continue, but efforts to do so generally produce little result. I won't share my opinions of what I think of homeopathic practitioners, but I can tell you here that you are not suffering from liver toxicity or other such nonsense. You'll find that charasmatics will do more to empty your wallet and generally produce diagnoses that are associated with imbalances and toxins, which are not detectable through actual clinical laboratory analysis. My suggestion is that you discuss with your doctor about a prescription to relax the smooth muscle of the GI tract, such as Librax or Donnatal, as well as discuss alternatives if you are experiencing anxiety or stress that may be contributing to the difficulties being experienced. IBS is quite often associated with the presence of anxiety or stress disorders and you should take this into account when looking to resolve symptoms. Incidentally, your symptoms would be entirely inconsistent with any of the serious diseases such as colon cancer, the nature of which get progressively worse with no remittance. Best regards, J Cottle, MD
    JCottleMD 580 Replies Flag this Response
  • To Blaze: Your continual postings attempting to deceive people on this forum are purely a nusiance. I doubt that you have any symptoms whatsoever and alternatively try to hook people by claiming to have similar problems merely to guide them to the posted links that attempt to encourage money donations. You have made hundreds of postings to date and would appear to have literally thousands of symptoms by reading the entire collection. The fact that the postings are often in direct contradiction to the possibility of some illnesses mentioned, literally means that people have but to read a short collection to determine that you are lying. Your appearance on this forum is precisely the reason that people must use extreme caution when seeking medical advice online. You are deceptive and outright lie to these people in order to try and trick them. People on this forum should never be directed away from this site to other links that collectively encourage joining an organization and making money donations. I have warned you repeatedly about this and yet you continue unabated. If needbe, I'll purchase the website, including the forum and close your membership. J Cottle, MD
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  • Go, Dr Cottle!
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