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My wife is VERY paranoid

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  • Posted By: ginadarrel
  • February 1, 2007
  • 03:30 PM

My wife, Gina is 41 years old and has been having problems with paranoia, delusions and hallucinations for about 3 years now. She had an ovary removed almost 4 years ago, and after that things started going bad. She was very depressed at the time, so I put her in the hospital and they diagnosed her as bipolar. They put her on a few bipolar medicines. After about 6 months she started becoming paranoid, thinking that my ex-wife and some of our neighbors had broken into our house and that her own Mom and some of my family was involved. She then started having delusions and hallucinations thinking that someone was living in our attic and seeing and hearing other things. Her psychiatrist kept changing her medicines around, and sometimes she might be ok for a couple of months, but then she would revert back to the way she was. She started thinking that the police were after her and that our phones were tapped and there were cameras in our house. It got so bad that I had to end up selling our house and moving because she thought all of our neighbors were conspiring against her. That was in July 2006, and things went really well for a few months, with the exception of her becoming very paranoid about the cars going by the street behind our house (we live in a subdivision). Slowly she started thinking again that there were cameras in our house, and that when a car went zooming past, it meant that they were keeping an eye on her, and sometimes they were giving her messages. Also when she would see something expensive on tv or in person, she would think that she was being offered that house or car or whatever it was in exchange for divorcing me. She started thinking that I was being unfaithful and that I wanted a divorce. Neither of those were even remotely true. Whenever we would go somewhere, she always thinks that we are being followed, even though the cars or the people are never the same each time. Then on Thanksgiving morning, we were putting up our Christmas tree and since I was sweating, I wiped off my forehead. She became furious and said that I was doing hand signals to these people in the cars. It then progressed to if I sniffed, it meant that I didn’t love her or some other message. When dozing off to sleep, if I flinched, like everyone does when they first doze off to sleep, it meant that I was pushing her out of the bed and telling her to leave the house. We went to Detroit for the weekend a couple of months ago, and a car passed us with a woman in it. All of a sudden she claimed that this was the woman that I was having an affair with. She came up with all of these details including what her name was, that she had a son, that she worked at a local hospital as a nurse, and that I had already bought her a diamond ring and was planning on marrying her.
She had never had any paranoia, delusions or hallucinations before in her life until her psychiatrist put her on the bipolar medicines. She has been on at least 30 types of medicines, including several anti-psychotics that were supposed to control her paranoia. We were hoping that it was the medicines that were causing these mental problems, so we convinced her doctor to back her up to a base level, and to give her an anti-depressant and some Xanax for her anxiety. She is also on birth control pills, which when she first started taking them about 9 months ago seemed to balance her out some at the time. She is still about the same as she was when she was on the bipolar medicines, but her paranoia seems to have even gotten worse. She has also gotten violent at times, and has hit me a few times. I am currently living with my parents to protect myself.
A few months ago, she started having an accelerated heart rate, so they did some tests and realized that she was having some thyroid problems. We were hoping that this might have been the cause of her behavior problems, but her endocrinologist informed us that her thyroid levels were low, but that they weren’t that far out of range that could cause this type of behavior. One thing that we (her Mom and I) have especially noticed is that somewhere around 5:00 – 6:00 each day is when she gets really bad. Earlier in the day she might have some thoughts and talk about whomever she thinks is watching or following her at that time. For the most part though, she is fairly normal acting. Then it is like a switch is turned on in her brain and she starts having these outlandish thoughts and loses pretty much all touch with reality. She cannot be reasoned with logically at all. At first, her Mom thought that she had gotten some drugs or something that she might be taking around that time, but neither her Mom nor I have seen her do anything like that. She will be sitting there talking normally, and then all of a sudden it’s like she switches to a different personality.
We have been to so many doctors and she has been on so many medicines that we are not sure what to try next. Her doctor recommends putting her back in the hospital, but they will only put her back on the medicines again that could be masking the true cause. We were wondering if you might have any ideas about what path to take, and any theories about why it seems to happen around the same time every day? I know that it’s hard to draw any conclusions without having actually examined her, but we would appreciate any insight you might have into this.

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  • After reading your post, it is clear that you are dealing with an incredibly difficult situation that causes both you , your wife, and your families a great deal of pain. I'm really writing just to extend my sympathy and support. It sounds like you have taken her to many different kinds of doctors, including neurologists? Have you tried eastern medicine as well- some poeple have found miracles in acupuncture and the like when they have exhausted the options provided by western medicine. But I'm really in no position to advise medically - honestly, my main piece of advice here is to post your story on a different site, becuase your situation is very serious and most of the posts I've seen on here are not, so I'm very concerned about the quality of the responses you will get.Good luck and remember to take care of yourself as well.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • February 4, 2007
    • 06:15 PM
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  • I'm sorry to hear about the situation of your wifes health. I understand i mean understand very well your pain. My sister was like this a few years ago and my mother and I had to have her put into a Mental Hospital against her will to get her treatment in the beginning. She's had some bad times and understands what happens with the deislusional thinking. Last August she became very ill. Her appenix ruptured and slowly poisoned her system, her husband didn't realize she was ill turning yellow with jaudice. Anyhow long story but she has Graves disease and is being treated with radioactive iodine tomorrow for her thryoid. If your wifes thyroid levels are any where near borderline it may affect her mental condition. As well as having some symptoms of menopause from her surgery.My sister is also having liver problems and we arent sure what will be determined with that, liver problems also cause mental confusion.My sister is also possbily diagnosed bipolar. This causes her to invest alot of her energy into things whether they be good or bad. OR it causes her great despessed states. I know it isn't a fair thing for the family to handle. My brother in law has beenthere for her all the time though. He supports her even when she is off her rocker dilusional. Hope she never gets that way again! But she takes her seroquel and Klonopin and keep herself under control pretty well now!All I can say is keep up the god work you will find a medicine that will help her torealize her thoughts are unreal.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • February 4, 2007
    • 11:52 PM
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  • I am a Doctor of Oriental Medicine and believe if you can find an acupuncturist in your area it will help immensely. Your wife sounds very unstable and unbalanced and Traditional Chinese Medicine can help bring her back in balance, especially ear and electric acupuncture. To find one near you and learn more about this form of medicine please visit www.acufinder.com and type in your zip code. Also, I would look into to both heavy metal poisoning and nutritional deficiencies and see if doing oral chelation therapy might help. She should be taking a good quality supplement with B vitamins. There is a product called IntraMax, it is a fantastic liquid nutritional supplement that may really help. Go to www.druckerlabs.com for more info. It is expensive, but the best full on liquid supplement I have found. Best of luck to you.DOM
    acuann 3080 Replies
    • February 5, 2007
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  • my friend also suffers from delusions, paranoia and hallucinations as well as a bunch of other things, she's schizophrenic and suffers from manic depression and anxiety.
    hannah06 9 Replies
    • February 6, 2007
    • 00:14 PM
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  • I would get off the birth control pills asap!!!! They are not helping matters any. You don't need them.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • February 6, 2007
    • 03:05 PM
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  • I read a study on an allergy to eggs and Schitzophrenia (spelling may be off),In the study not all, but many of the people found relief from symptoms by eliminating eggs in any form from their diet. Some were said to have had enough sympotms relieved to lead normal lives... Not a study that would make doctors or drug manufacture(s) money, so I am sure it was not a popular conclusion. Good Luck
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • February 11, 2007
    • 07:23 PM
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  • Ive worked in psychiatry for 25 years and at im very antimedication, but believe me, you would do well to forget the posts previous on this forum.Make sure her medications are reviewed regularly, and consider CLOZARIL IM, its an injection, helps with compliance, has been researched.It may have side effects but these by far outweigh the psychotic features.Forget the egg theory, acupunture etc. Lets face it how would you get your wife to relax and let somebody stick needles in her, any 'normal' psychotic would get paranoid. take care and be sensible. p.s. im still anti meds, when they are not required, but when they are................... sean.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • February 12, 2007
    • 02:00 PM
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  • Here is an article that you should read. It might offer some direction.http://akmhcweb.org/ncarticles/Bipolarbreakthrough.htm I hope this helps. My prayers are with you.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • February 16, 2007
    • 01:59 AM
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  • well, i'm thinking paranoid schizophrenia OR an endocrine disorder from having the partial oophorectomy (can sometimes cause agitation and emotional problems)...is she underweight or obese? does she have a family history of mental illness, specifically delusional mental illness? Obviously, you care about your wife very much, and I really commend that, especially now, when it seems like she's not the person you married sometimes. Just remember, she didn't wish to be sick or to put this burden on anyone. I have a chronic illness, and I often feel tremendously guilty when I see what my hospital visits do to my husband, my son, and my grandparents, who raised me. And my mother was bipolar and schizoaffective disorder and abandoned me and my sister when we were babies, but I have bipolar issues as well because of genetics. Sorry to ramble, but have you also checked an autoimmune disorder, particularly an autoimmune endocrine disorder, maybe? anyone else have an alternative diagnosis?
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • February 23, 2007
    • 10:06 AM
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  • I am with Sean on this! Don't use medications for a quick fix, but when they are truely needed (as in your wife's case) something needs to be done, NOW! Then the healthcare providers can begin to look to see if the paranoia could be related to endocrine problems. My suggestion is that she should be hopsitalized to get stable, ASAP! Her paranoia will only get worse if something isn't done and it could escalate into her hurting yourself or you. Please, please, please! Have her hospitalized, get her on medications. Get her a female psychiatrist that will listen to the possibility that there could be other contributions to her psych issues. The stress of the surgery could have sparked all this but not be the underlying cause of the paranoia.5-6pm "wackiness" is a phenomona called Sundowners. Old folks get it, and so does my cat. Her doctors can medicate her in advance of the Sundowning to keep her more in touch with reality.My last words: She is in danger of hurting herself or others by being left alone. Have her committed right away, it is in her (and your) best interest!
    Anonymous 42789 Replies Flag this Response
  • I came across your post as I was looking for advice on another matter (abdominal cramps). I think you were on to something when you mentioned that she hadn't had any of the paranoia and hallucinations BEFORE she was on the bipolar meds. She might have been sad for the loss of her ovary or something like that and just needed to talk to you about it. I sure can't help but wonder how she'd feel if she got off the medicine and actually could talk to you with a clear head about how she feels and then you could help her deal with her emotions together.
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  • I am so sorry to hear about your wife. Your wife has an endocrine problem. You said that she starts to become more intense around five o'clock in the afternoon. I would wonder what her cortisol levels are? By this time, she should be spiraling down from the day. Rapid heart rate, paranoid ideation, hallucinations are hallmarks of cortisol overload commonly known as cushings disease. How low is her thyroid? Today's new protocol has narrowed the gap quite a bit with TSH levels. It used to be that the high end was 5 or 6 for hypothyroidism. Today, it is 2. You need to get her records or she needs to get them and start seeing what was done. Your wife is not crazy but she surely has something in her body that is driving her to such extremes. There are several endocrine problems that could facilitate behavior such as your wife's. Has she been tested for pheochromocytoma? Has your wife changed in her appearance? Has she gained weight? Does she have purple striae on her back, breast or thighs? Is she tired all the time? High Blood Pressure? Research this Cushings Disease to see if it fits. She could have hyperalderstonism which creates an imbalance of sodium. The other thing that comes to my mind is hyperparathyroidism. Have her vitamin D levels checked along with everything else. You need to have a good endocrinologist who listens and will test her thoroughly. She does not want to be like that with you and she loves you greatly but she cannot help what is going on in her body. You need to help her. Please do your best to find someone as soon as possible because the ability to withstand such energy in this behavior shortens not to mention that if there is something going on, it will raise other problems with her internal organs. You first step was asking for help. Again, I am so sorry to hear about this but there is help and hope.Sincerely,A concerned person
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  • Oh my! I admire your stamina..I empathize with you, your family and your wife. It's a very sad thing when ones mind has such severe difficulties. For sure she needs a "SPECT SCAN." NOT an MRI..a "SPECT." I am no physician..but, you stated she had had an ovary removed, correct? Has she has any "hormone studies" done? The birth control pill is one thing..however, when I was going through menopause myself...a similar situations took place. To us "girls" =) hormones regulate everything! That is not to say she does not have a severe mental disorder, as well. Hormone therapy..has it's pros and cons. It wouldn't hurt to check it out..IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY. As for anti-psychotics...and hormone replacement..it's all trial and error..adjusting and re-adjusting her meds..as with any drug, a person tends to build up a resistance or tolerance towards many medications. I'm not sure how you're set, as for medical insurance..if you have a good policy, be so very thankful. So many have zero! She is very lucky to have you. I know iit's very difficult..but, there are so many people living on the street and homeless shelters...who do not have the 'means' or 'family support' for a 'condition' that they 'didn't ask for.' Everyone suffers..but, there is hope..just take care of "YOU"..sometimes it's harder on the family. Now, go take a nap!
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  • I am mostly 'secretly' similar - with the paranoia. I say mostly secretly because most I don't share with anyone since I know the thoughts are nutty.I have been diagnosed with a chronic condition that I am NOT medicated for (hypercortisol). After having a baby - I had weeks of the more serious things you speak of. Hearing, seeing, and believing things that were not real. My husband said for a while he didn't know who I was. It was not post partum from what I can tell.I think it is possibly linked to hormones, like some others have mentioned (endoctrine).My hypercotisol has been effectively managed via diet. I notice that when I deviate (for a long period of time) from a good and balanced diet - that my paranoid ideas increase. I have thought my home was bugged too and thought someone was trying to poisen me, that someone was harming my child, that my husband was having an affair, that my husband was on drugs, that people were conspiring against me, that my friend was killed or being held against her will and that her new boyfriend was actually the one sending/replying to emails, etc, etc. These ideas, fortunately go away and I see the 'nuttiness' of them and thank the good Lord I am well enough not to believe or share these thoughts out loud. I think that getting adequate sleep and following a healthy diet go a long way in allowing me to see how nutty these thoughts really are - because at the time, I can often justify them - like the way a dream only makes sense when you're just waking - but later is hard to make sense of. Perhaps we all have nutty thoughts we don't tell about - but when we are well we can control any urges to act upon them? Not sure about that - since it's hard to know what is 'normal' if it's not talked about.Wishing you all the best in bringing your wife's wellness back.
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  • Ive worked in psychiatry for 25 years and at im very antimedication, but believe me, you would do well to forget the posts previous on this forum.Make sure her medications are reviewed regularly, and consider CLOZARIL IM, its an injection, helps with compliance, has been researched.It may have side effects but these by far outweigh the psychotic features.Forget the egg theory, acupunture etc. Lets face it how would you get your wife to relax and let somebody stick needles in her, any 'normal' psychotic would get paranoid. take care and be sensible. p.s. im still anti meds, when they are not required, but when they are................... sean.why forget the egg theory? why not explore every possible option? it doesnt make any sense not too, this is why many doctors refuse to see any connection between foods and other problems other than an acute life threatening allergy attack. alot of people are suffering needlessly because of this ignorance.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • September 22, 2010
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  • well, i tell you my story, i've always had a tendency towards anxiety, but over the last few years I started becoming seriously paranoid about people around me, like i would feel seriously threatened by them and my memory became so poor, all i knew is that they were out to get me (i seriously believed that!) , long story short, i developed a condition that made my feet turn so cold and almost blue up to the calf, it was so annoying and it made me so scare, that I visit a chinese doctor in a university of oriental medicine in los Angeles, I got treated for Qi stagnation and blood stasis, they later explain me, and my liver and the spleen also got treated. Since the first week I stated to feel less tense, I had a jaw tension issue since forever and the first week my jaw was more relaxed. Its been about 4 months now and im a different person, im so much more relaxed, more present, i no longer jump when i hear the minimun noise, i can get easily out of bed in the morning, i can now remember things, life is so much better, that im becoming health and chinese medicine obsessed!! (now when someone insults me in the metro, I actually feel compasion for that person*i no longer feel threatened, because i understand that person is ill)I tell you, xanax and all that wont work, I tryed all of that, and actually turns the problem worse by intoxicating the liver even more, western medication will in some cases actually turn you really insane as you develop resistance to the medicine and require more and more.Acupunture and chinese medicine is your best choice, go to any reputed university of chinese medicine in your town, they will probably have a day clinic.I wish you the best!!! Peace!!
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • February 20, 2011
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  • Hi,Im chinese medicine, diferent times of the day are related to different organs in the body, this is a tool that can be used to detect the source of the problem in order to help resolve it:Traditional Chinese organ/time relationships Gall bladder: 11 pm - 1 amLiver: 1 am - 3 amLungs: 3 am - 5Large intestine: 5 am - 7 amStomach : 7 am - 9 amSpleen/Pancreas: 9 am - 11 amHeart: 11 am - 1 pmSmall intestine : 1 pm - 3 pmBladder : 3 pm - 5 pmKidney : 5 pm - 7 pmYou can see that the chart will suggest that her kidney might be a bit intoxicated, for that, a kidney detox diet is suggested: that would be minimizing salt and sugar, drinking lots of purified water, not bottled or tap water, you might need to buy a natural stone filter, and maybe some binding toxicity agent such as chlorella, and be aware of the medicine as it might damage the kidney more, or else tell the physician that her kidney is delicate.I would suggest also that she takes liquid oxigen, that suplement is amazing in restoring damaged cells.Also in homeopathy, you would ask if the removal of the ovary was around that time, 5 pm - 6 pm, either way, some traumatic asociated body memory could be reflecting in her behaviour, since, it would be helpfull to detox the liver also, because the liver is considered the memory of the body. In an all, I would suggest some reading in order to learn not to take one own thoughts so seriously, such as "The Power of Now" and "The New Earth", both available for free online if you look, by Eckhart Tolle.My grandma died of kidney failure, some say she was poisoned, but either way, her kidney problem turned her really delusional and cuku in a very short amount of time. We were very ignorant at the time, we only knew western medicine and she died in 6 months, luckily times have change, now you have supplements, acupunture, chinese herbs, etc so have faith she will be ok.For you, watch "A Brilliant Mind" movie, its more or less about what you are going through and also see their solution, dont know the director's name but in the end, focused love can heal everything, keep giving her a hand, with awareness.Love,R.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • February 20, 2011
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