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  • Posted By: curtinhoulihan
  • June 13, 2010
  • 06:20 AM

I am a 45 year old female. I have notice that I speak outloud at times (generally when I am alone and thinking). The things I say out loud surprise me in that I did not mean to say them, only think them. It is generally a word or two, sometimes numbers. I speak them in a normal tone, and without strong emotion.

I noticed my speaking outloud after I had been taking Aldactone and and an ACE inhibitor for poor heart function and left bundle block. I am generally healthy and have no history of psychiatric issues. I have stopped taking the medicines because I was experiencing many side effects, perhaps related to the anti-androgen properties. My doctor was not aware of any connection between the medications and my speaking outloud. In fact, she was not familiar with my symptom at all.

My speaking outloud has not really been a problem in that I am usually alone, or when I am around others, I am at a computer and others do not seem to pay attention to the fact that I spoke. It simply bothers me because I know that I did not intend to speak outloud.

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  • hello .. the following possibilities can be considered 1 .anxiety 2. stroke , tell me r u hypertensive ? 3. alzheimer`s disease , do u have something like dementia , depression etc ? tell me if u have any other symptoms like headache , seizures , altered sensorium , tics , pain or rigidity in neck, numbness in face or extrimities , visual blurring , doubling vision , vomiting , family history of the condition which you have and any other symptom ..( even if u feel its unrelated ) m a medico , pls answr d above questions n help me find out wats wrong with u...
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  • hello .. the following possibilities can be considered 1 .anxiety 2. stroke , tell me r u hypertensive ? 3. alzheimer`s disease , do u have something like dementia , depression etc ? tell me if u have any other symptoms like headache , seizures , altered sensorium , tics , pain or rigidity in neck, numbness in face or extrimities , visual blurring , doubling vision , vomiting , family history of the condition which you have and any other symptom ..( even if u feel its unrelated ) m a medico , pls answr d above questions n help me find out wats wrong with u...Thank you. 1. Anxiety seems unlikely-I sleep well, do not feel worried, no change in my eating habits, and have a low stress job and a good marriage. I am generally optimistic, and have never experienced depression.2. My blood pressure if good. I had a cardiac cath in 2004 and it showed zero blockage and my cholesterol levels are fine (good ratio too). 3. Never diagnosed with dementia or Alzheimer’s and have no family history of dementia or Alzheimer’s. I only have headaches about once a year and usually only if I have a fever. I have never had seizures or a tic, no numbness or blurred vision (had a good eye check up and my eyes are okay, but I do where bifocals), no vomiting. I was diagnosed 15 years ago with low thyroid and have been on synthroid 100mg since then. I had back surgery 13 years ago, disk repair, lower back, and it is fine now. I exercise regularly. I have food allergies-apples and carrots, but have had them for 20 years.Family history includes a grandmother who died of a glioblastoma at age 78 and a grandfather who died of lung cancer before age 64. My father has sleep apnea, but is generally healthy and my mother had angioplasty at age 48 but is now healthy except for knee trouble. Hemorrhoids and thyroid problems run in the family.When I was on Aldactone and the ACE inhibitor, I had trouble staying focused, never felt tired (but could go to sleep on time and wake on time, getting 8 hours each night). I became much less competitive and paid more attention to my looks then ever in my life. I returned to the way I had been about a month or so after stopping the medication.
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  • i don think its related to aldactone and ace inhibitor.. since u said ur grandmom had glioblastoma , i would suggest u not to take chances .. get a CT of ur brain to rule out any lesions in ur auditory cortex .. don worry , u ll be fine .. god bless :) n do u do drugs ?
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  • i don think its related to aldactone and ace inhibitor.. since u said ur grandmom had glioblastoma , i would suggest u not to take chances .. get a CT of ur brain to rule out any lesions in ur auditory cortex .. don worry , u ll be fine .. god bless :) n do u do drugs ? I do not use illegal drugs. I some time take zytec and I do take coreg (but just started recently) and synthroid. I did realize that I have one other possible symptom, I do not sweat much. I was walking around LSU in 96* weather. I felt terrible, but my clothes remained dry and my forehead was dry. I had almost no sweat all day. Maybe a tiny amount in the under arm area, but not like everyone else. I realized that I get overheated, but do not really sweat (and all around me are dripping with sweat.)
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  • I don't really have any help for you, but just wanted to let you know that you are not alone. For over 10 years, (I am 38) I have also been saying things I had no intention of saying out loud. The 2 things in common are I also take synthroid and have almost no sweat.In my case it did start shortly after some extreme anxiety and stress and does tend to increase in times of stress. One difference is that I don't realize I'm thinking the words until they are already out of my mouth. It is always when my mind is wandering and I'm not really paying much attention to anything. 90% of the time the thing I say is "I want to go home." This will happen even when I am home. I think it may be associated with the fact that it started when we were losing our home in a short sale due to job loss. 6 months before that is when I started taking synthroid, but I've never really thought that there might be a connection.
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    • December 19, 2010
    • 09:51 PM
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  • Hello BeckB,Thank you so much for you post. It is nice to know that I am not the only one.Funny thing is, several times I have said, "I want to go home" even when I am home. But usually what I say is only one or two words. If you ever get any info on the cause, I would love to hear it.By the way, I was on synthroid for many years before I started speaking when I did not intend to. Most of my female friends and some relatives are also on synthroid. I wonder if more people do not do this, but assume that they had intended to speak out load so it does not bother them.Thanks again and Happy New Year,Curtinhoulihan
    curtinhoulihan 3 Replies
    • December 30, 2010
    • 05:54 PM
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  • i'm a 26 year old male, i have started to experience involuntary speech similar to what you are describing. i.e when i'm alone i will finish sentences i'm thinking by saying them aloud. my girlfriend has started to notice i do this when she's in another room. there is very little info on the net, i don't take any medication for any thing. anxiety and stress does ring true to me, but i would say i involuntary speak when deep in thought, i have done this in public places a few times.
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    • January 15, 2011
    • 11:33 AM
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  • Hello BeckB,Thank you so much for you post. It is nice to know that I am not the only one.Funny thing is, several times I have said, "I want to go home" even when I am home. But usually what I say is only one or two words. If you ever get any info on the cause, I would love to hear it.By the way, I was on synthroid for many years before I started speaking when I did not intend to. Most of my female friends and some relatives are also on synthroid. I wonder if more people do not do this, but assume that they had intended to speak out load so it does not bother them.Thanks again and Happy New Year,CurtinhoulihanI have always had involuntary speech. (I'm now 28). It is usually when I am alone but can often be a night as i'm going to sleep if im stressed. It usually happens when i think about something that i regret doing or am embarrassed about. My mother also does it but i only found that out this year so maybe its genetic. I take no medication and i sweat a lot so no links there!
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    • February 11, 2011
    • 11:33 AM
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  • Thanks for posting. It is good to know I am not the only one. I hope you and Becky post again if you learn anything about this. My involuntary speaking seems to be getting more frequent. I think I will go have a CT scan. I do plan to change primary doctors soon, so maybe the new one will have some idea about what is happening.
    curtinhoulihan 3 Replies
    • February 15, 2011
    • 11:31 PM
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  • dear courtinhoulihan n becky , d very fact tat you both are on snthyroid makes me think of long term adverse effects of the drug..pls contact your physician n ask him for a different combo ..
    arjun4mb 80 Replies
    • February 17, 2011
    • 05:28 PM
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  • I am 28 years old, I am in good physical and psychological health as far as I know. I involuntarily say phrases or pieces of phrases, words- out loud. For a long time it was just random phrases sometimes while reading or driving. Generally things I was thinking about when I was stressed or deep in thought. It never happened in public or in front of others. Over the last 13 years it has progressively gotten worse. I find myself anymore repeating certain names like "Dad" (and humiliatingly enough my ex-boyfriends name..) I have mentioned it to doctors and it was diagnosed as a tic that is exacerbated by anxiety and stress. The tic is not associated with any physical or psychological illness from what I have been told, it is just uncomfortable at times to live with. Cognitive behavioral therapy and active relaxation techniques have reduced the frequency and severity. For me dealing with the stress stops the tic. One of the doctors I saw seemed to think that it may be associated with anemia (I was anemic at the time). But I never understood why.. My therapist thinks that I use it to self soothe, hence the active relaxation. :)Hope some of this info helps!
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  • I'm 42, in good health, and for a few years I have found myself - only when I'm alone - saying whatever words happen to be crossing my mind. It's always when I'm thinking of a stressful or awkward or frustrating situation - never a full sentence. Just a few words.I definitely suffer from (diagnosed, general) anxiety, and the involuntary speech is more frequent when life is roughest. It's sometimes accompanied by brief wincing or cringing. I've seen a few therapists, but none that are familiar with the symptoms. I'm glad to hear I'm not alone.
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  • I experience these symptoms often but am not on any of the medication referred to in this thread. It is definitely more severe when I'm stressed and tired. The words surprise me as they are unrelated to my thoughts at the time but do relate to experiences in my past (up to a few years back) and they are usually experiences that were either stressful or which I regret (perhaps something I regret having said or done) even though they aren't playing on my conscious mind at the time. Sometimes they are relatively unemotional but at other times they can be quite expressive/emotional (e.g. I may have a sense of anger with myself that accompanies the outburst). They can also be accompanied with what I would call a physical response; i.e. a body movement as the words emerge. For example, if it occurs when I'm dropping off to sleep (they only happen when I've let my guard down) I may sit up, or punch my pillow. Sometimes they occur in isolation. Other times (especially in the falling-asleep scenario) they occur in a series of three or four outbursts to the point that I get out of bed and do something (get a glass of water for instance) to "break" my state of mind before going back to bed. They are very worrying, especially because no one seems to be able to explain them, but they do seem to be stress related, so perhaps stress management strategies may help.
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  • I am a male in my 40s and also experience this problem. Just as many other posters have described above, my involuntary speech is triggered by thinking about embarrassing or regretful or upsetting experiences. I do not think this condition is caused by 'stress' as such (except in as much as a period of being under stress can mean more often thinking regretful, embarrassing or upsetting thoughts) It usually happens when I am alone, but I think this is mostly because it is when alone that I can be lost in thought.How it has always seemed to me is as if one part of my brain is monitoring myself, and when I become lost in unpleasant thought it almost as if it is trying to distract myself, to change the subject.. I wonder if that rings a bell with any other sufferers? To expand on my (perhaps rather wild!) theory: I am basing it on the commonly accepted model that it is the left brain that gets preoccupied with negative thoughts, and the right brain, which is more self-aware acts to balance and suppress . In most people the right brain cannot speak, but it's by no means unknown and has been demonstrated in some subjects. If I had a fmri machine the hypothesis I would investigate is that this involuntary speech is associated with right-brain activity.As a small start, I'd be interested to know how many of the sufferers on this thread are left-handed. Like me.
    galibier 1 Replies
    • September 5, 2011
    • 09:04 PM
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  • It usually happens when i think about something that i regret doing or am embarrassed about.I have this! I'm 21 and I've been saying 'I love you' and occasionally 'I hate you' for several years involuntarily. It usually follows a sense of embarassment, but the phrases are completely unrelated to the situation and I don't think the words before I say them. Thankfully this usually happens whilst alone, otherwise some really awkward situations could arise. On no medication, but I do have a family history of alzhimers (though not until you're at least 70) which was mentioned earlier. I am currently experiencing high levels of stress and mild depression, but this has been happening for a while, whilst I've been emotionally and mentally healthy, so I'm not sure if that's related. When I tell people, they generally laugh and think I'm just too full of love, but I'm sure it's an actual thing...
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  • This happens to me too. I'm a 33 year old female, healthy, and not on any medication now and haven't been in the past. I completely relate to what previous "posters" have said about it happening when I think about something that's embarrassing or that makes me cringe about something I said or did etc. especially what galibier said about it seeming as though it seems as if it happens to distract me from unpleasant thoughts. I definitely don’t think what I say before saying it, it comes out and I think it as I’m saying it, and only then possibly because I’m hearing it! I work from home so I spend a lot of time on my own, I’m not sure if that has anything to do with it? I also drink a few glasses of wine most evenings, I’m not sure if that might have something to do with it? Since you do see those old drunks walking around shouting/ talking to themselves about things that make no sense :)
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  • I have read some possibility of connection between Zyrtec, some nasal sprays and Tourette's syndrome.Tourette's has involuntary neurological symptoms such as tics like blinking or involuntary speech.I am actually researching this because my daughter is having issues with a sudden development of ticsand has had them for the past 5 months and I think it might be related to:1) prior strep throat - do research on this2) Veramyst - steroid spray3) Zyrtec4) unknown disease
    mom_in_houston_Texas 3 Replies
    • September 3, 2012
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  • It is great to know I am not the only one. I wish you and Becky release again if you recognize anything about this. My unconscious discussing seems to be getting more regular.
    fortiskolkata 1 Replies
    • September 10, 2012
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  • Peopel who have TOURETTES SYNDROME do this. Have you been tested for Tourettes?
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  • Great to see this thread! I am 43 and have this condition. It also involves a few catch phases, some replaying of regretful moments, and may be related to anxiety and trauma.
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