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I could really use advice from a good toxicologist

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  • Posted By: darke_shadow
  • December 6, 2007
  • 09:04 PM

Does anyone know of a toxicologist or a toxicology website that could handle a challenge? My family and I are suffering from what can only be some type of neurotoxin, probably heavy metal, that we're getting exposed to in some very odd way. The list of symptoms goes on forever, but all lead back to heavy metal toxicity. Unfortunately, such a thing isn't common enough for a general practicioner to readily diagnose, and I'm not willing to invest the huge amounts of time (time I'm not really sure we have left) to allow a doctor to work through all the other "possible" causes I've already eliminated. I need to find out what poison we're being exposed to and how to best deal with it. I've spent vast amounts of time researching this thing and I'm hitting some dead ends and need some kind of fresh input.

The people who "care" about us have labled me as paranoid for thinking we're "being poisoned," meanwhile I can only watch as myself, my wife, and my son go through what can only be described as a living ***l with symptoms that range from brutal migraines to cronic constipation to extreme fatigue to horrible stomach pains and, the worst, the extreme apathetic depression (that we all THREE experience at the same time) that just can never end well. I've tried being patient with it, but we're dying from this stuff and we just want it to stop already.

I'm not going to list all the details here (since it could fill a book), but we've experimented in many different ways and proven over and over again that it's not in our heads or that I'm just crazy to think it's some type of poison. I'm open to the possibility I may be wrong, but it wouldn't be because of being crazy.

Just to be fair, I would be more than willing to go over the details with someone who could responsibly and objectively evaluate my sanity concerning the situation, but not dying is still my biggest priority at the moment. If you are a mental professional and are curious to check out my sanity (or the lack thereof), great. But the off-the-cuff "mental problems" diagnosis without reviewing any real amount of the information isn't going to be helpful.

Anyone have any helpful suggestions?

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  • Here you go:http://www.labsafe.com/lab-tests/category/35a do it yourself lab..test your heart out.
    Monsterlove 2921 Replies
    • December 7, 2007
    • 06:28 AM
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  • Hair samples can detect poisons. Look up labs in the nearest big city or university town with a med school. Ask which type of lab you need. Do you still live in the same house? Check for carbon monoxide also.
    rad-skw 1605 Replies
    • December 8, 2007
    • 01:00 PM
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  • Good points in the replies. Correct assessment is crucial before the next step. You may also consider computerized testing for what may be going on. And as stated above the why and how is important especially to see if there is ongoing exposure. There are a number of ways to get the metal out, primarily different types of chelation. Some may be more effective than others. IME the "mental problems" diagnosis is a catch all when people really do not know or care enough to find out. I am a health pro and have worked with these challenges before. If you want to list your zip code I may be able to refer you to a natural health pro in your area.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • December 8, 2007
    • 03:14 PM
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  • Here you go:http://www.labsafe.com/lab-tests/category/35a do it yourself lab..test your heart out. Thank you very much for the help. This lab looks like something I've been looking for - someplace that will help me start getting more answers without much hassle.
    darke_shadow 3 Replies
    • December 8, 2007
    • 03:51 PM
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  • Hair samples can detect poisons. Look up labs in the nearest big city or university town with a med school. Ask which type of lab you need. Do you still live in the same house? Check for carbon monoxide also. My wife and I both actually have done a hair analysis. We were very high in Al (after a year of consuming nothing but meat and clean raw vegetables, distilled water, and not using any al foil or antiperspirent - we should have been al free!) and high in potassium. It also revealed that our adrenal glands were failing, which is very indicative of heavy metal poisoning. We were very low in the usual suspects, such as lead and mercury. But I also noted that only a handful of heavy metals were tested for, but I had hoped it would be more of a full analysis of ALL elements found in the hair. I suspect Al is a part of the problem, but I also suspect from how ill we've been that it's more of a contaminant mixed into the real culprit. And yes, we've lived in the same house now for over a decade, although it's not really certain exactly when we starting getting sick. It may very well have been prior to moving here. However we don't have natural gas at all (the house is all electric), so I don't think that CO poisoning is likely (although I am hesitant to ever rule anything out too quickly, even if it looks completely unlikely).
    darke_shadow 3 Replies
    • December 8, 2007
    • 04:00 PM
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  • Good points in the replies. Correct assessment is crucial before the next step. You may also consider computerized testing for what may be going on. And as stated above the why and how is important especially to see if there is ongoing exposure. There are a number of ways to get the metal out, primarily different types of chelation. Some may be more effective than others. IME the "mental problems" diagnosis is a catch all when people really do not know or care enough to find out. I am a health pro and have worked with these challenges before. If you want to list your zip code I may be able to refer you to a natural health pro in your area. Thanks for the help. Our zip is 85220, and a qualified natural health pro would be wonderful if you could refer us to one in the area. We've visited with several health professionals, but each seems to have a specialty that they feel is the cure for anything and everything and I need someone who can take a much broader view of our situation. We've been chelating with various supplements. We take strong but reasonable doses of minerals, as that can both chelate and replace the lost minerals (otherwise we can get sick from just chelating out the good stuff). We've used apple pectin to clean the intestines, and a whole list of things that clears the liver and spleen (both organs experiencing intense pain at times). We use cilantro very cautiously but steadily. If we use too much at once we get horribly ill as though we'd just drank a gallon of the poison, but if we don't use it regularly we soon get sluggish and get a serious brainfog. Oddly, although I can't find any connection between this and heavy metal poisoning, drinking coffee seems to help clear it out as well. It may be because it acts as a diaretic and cleans out the kidneys, or possilby the bitterness acts on the liver, or the caffeine may counteract the poison's effect on the nerves, I don't really know. But I realized one day that I had an oddly strong craving for coffee, even though I'd never drinken it before. So I tried it and almost immediately felt a relief from many of the symptoms. Even now it puts me to sleep when I drink it. But we've managed to "deal" with it for some time now by cleansing, but we seem to continuously reingest the same crap. And, in spite of the cleansings, the body still takes a terrible toll from all of this and ours are starting to wear down. I have to chuckle at your comment about the "mental problems" diagnosis. It's sad when I talk to "loved" ones (now much more a past-tense thing unfortunately) and their only respone is that I need to stop looking for someone else to blame for my problems, or that I am delusional or paranoid. My father-in-law has always stressed that all illnesses are completely in the mind and that they can be overcome with positive thinking. It makes me seriously want to break his ribs with a bat and see how positive he is about that (although I won't, I promise). Maybe we are paranoid, I don't know and right now I don't even care. The problem is we're going to be dead paranoid delusionals soon if we don't do SOMETHING! I never expected our families to be of any assistance. They're very simple people lost in a simpler time. But it enrages me when they don't want me doing anything about it either, like the problems are just going to go away. For years we've been ignoring the problems and pretending they're nothing (which is common when you're sick with heavy metals), but that approach just hasn't helped one bit. And I appreciate any and all help, thank you.
    darke_shadow 3 Replies
    • December 8, 2007
    • 04:27 PM
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  • Hi, Have you all been tested for Tick born infections? Its possible to have been bitten and not had a rash. If you have an infection of these mycroplasmas, it worsens over time, undetected. Metals may be involved, but if the infection isn't treated, all the metal detox isn't going to help. Some of what your doing may have caused some die off, that will add to the metal load. May I suggest you check out www.lymenet.org/ The folks there are very helpful. Hope you can find the answers to get well.~~Jersey Lymie
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • December 9, 2007
    • 10:21 AM
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  • Will get on it tomorrow. Were you thinking of using an aluminum bat or an older type wooden one ?
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • December 9, 2007
    • 03:51 PM
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  • Dr. Parcells would have you take a "clorox" bath...one cup of plain clorox, unscented, in a very hot tub of water. Stay in it until the water cools. I usually listen to a hypnosis tape. The second bath is a sea salt and baking soda bath, equal parts, 2lbs to 4 lbs each...that is for x-rays and radiation...the clorox is for heavy metals. The doctor was the Grand ***n of naturally medicine and passed away at 105. She focused on eliminating poisons through baths...here is another doctor, too, to look at:http://curezone.com/cleanse/ http://curezone.com/schulze/handbook/hyperthermia.asp
    Monsterlove 2921 Replies
    • December 9, 2007
    • 05:41 PM
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  • Very good points on the lyme posibility. The second great imitator, for sure.Someone with an MSA machine (Meridian Stress Assessment) should be able to check a possible sign for lyme in a few seconds. Not a physical test, but a good indicator. I will try to find one that has a machine in your area.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • December 10, 2007
    • 00:37 AM
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  • Does anyone know of a toxicologist or a toxicology website that could handle a challenge? My family and I are suffering from what can only be some type of neurotoxin, probably heavy metal, that we're getting exposed to in some very odd way. The list of symptoms goes on forever, but all lead back to heavy metal toxicity. Unfortunately, such a thing isn't common enough for a general practicioner to readily diagnose, and I'm not willing to invest the huge amounts of time (time I'm not really sure we have left) to allow a doctor to work through all the other "possible" causes I've already eliminated. I need to find out what poison we're being exposed to and how to best deal with it. I've spent vast amounts of time researching this thing and I'm hitting some dead ends and need some kind of fresh input.This might help you narrow down your symptoms to a specific metal:http://www.doctorjackson.org/health/poisoning.htmWebsite gives symptoms for specific types of poisoning from heavy metals.You might want research whether there's been other reports in your area of people with similar symptoms.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • December 10, 2007
    • 05:25 PM
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  • The best possible site for descriptions of toxicity is the National Library of Medifcine's ToxNet: http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/ This site was invaluable to me in researching toxic chemicals located at the Nyanza Chemical waste dump in Ashland, MA. I'm sorry to say I have a lot of personal experience with environmental exposure to toxins. Get yourself a good attorney! Best wishes.
    aquila 1263 Replies
    • December 10, 2007
    • 08:25 PM
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  • Also look into black mold.
    rad-skw 1605 Replies
    • December 11, 2007
    • 10:51 AM
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  • I'm inclined to think that you have some kind of sick house syndrome, and not heavy metal toxicity. (Unless someone is poisoning you). Do you handle untreated lumber? Also, are you on well water, and has your water been tested? Aquila, what kind of exposure did you have? If you don't mind my asking.
    rad-skw 1605 Replies
    • December 11, 2007
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  • I still think that one family member could go through a batch of the testing off of the web site that I last sent you. Schedule an appointment at your local lab for a couple of the tests and then you will know what you don't have, at least....
    Monsterlove 2921 Replies
    • December 12, 2007
    • 01:57 AM
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  • hmmm i've heard a fair few people talking about "chemtrails" lately, and higher amounts of alumunum and barium around them...Might be worth a quick google, would be good to find the source of the alumunum, but most ppl seem to think chemtrails don't exist, even when the govt publicises spraying.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • December 26, 2007
    • 04:29 PM
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  • Very good points on the lyme posibility. The second great imitator, for sure.Someone with an MSA machine (Meridian Stress Assessment) should be able to check a possible sign for lyme in a few seconds. Not a physical test, but a good indicator. I will try to find one that has a machine in your area. Ralph, I am inquiring of what the MSA tells you that is indicative of Lyme? I've had one and many areas were abnormal. Noone mentioned Lyme at that time. Thanks!
    sarahl1976 19 Replies
    • December 26, 2007
    • 09:09 PM
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  • Radon - check your levels! Also, sea salt placed in bowls of distilled water strategically inside your home may help draw out impurities. Look into NAET, Bioset - an experienced practitioner can use muscle response testing to tell you exactly what you are having a problem with, ask Ralph about this. Visit www.naet.com to find a practitioner near you. Lastly, consider moving? :o Best wishesDOM
    acuann 3080 Replies
    • December 27, 2007
    • 05:20 AM
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