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Drug Fever & Going Cold Turkey From A Medicine Used For A Long Time

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  • Posted By: Anonymous
  • October 1, 2007
  • 05:19 PM

I could use some help. I found out this weekend I have had an adverse reaction to some medicine I was taking; the Dr says it is Drug Fever. A reaction to the low dose Elavil than I have taken for maybe 20 years because of chronic pain.

Now I am going through withdrawl symptoms because I have stopped cold turkey; that broke the fever I had for a long time surprisingly quickly (about a day and 1/2 I sweated even more than usual and the fever just broke).

I thought the dr was nuts to suggest that the meds I took for so many years was causing many health problems (especially a fever). Who knew such a tiny pill could be so powerful to wreck so much havock in a body?

I am now also battling colitis or ulcer of some sort. I was given antibio at first for the fever that I should have avoided. I had problems with Cefzil and keflex before and was given another cephlosporin before the dr finally diagnosed the Drug Fever.

I need info on Drug Fever and the searching the net for more info is slow. I would like to find a support forum for somebody going off Elavil or at least other prescription drugs; but don't want to be mixed in with others who purposely abused prescription drugs or worse those who abuse street drugs for stupid reasons like getting high. I only found one thread, but it isn't very active. Lots of folks going throught many of the things I am going through though and have went through with this drug there. This is the link to the thread: http://mb.rxlist.com/rxboard/elavil.pl?read=422

This is very tough to stop cold turkey, and I keep reading it is dangerous. But my heart is being affected by what is going on, and stopping the fever made a huge difference in how I feel. The fever I thought was worse than any withdrawal symptoms could possibly be; so I thought I just want the stuff hurting me out of me and not to take more in as gradualy weaning would do.

I tried many times to get off the Elavil (Amitriptiline) and each time things eventually got worse again. Over the years the dose increased, but the past year became a vicious cycle as the med would work for awhile then stop so I increased the dose. This medicine side effects seem to have affected me in so many ways since at least the past 1-2 years.

I am now going from 6omgs Elavil to 0mgs at bedtime; cold turkey because I fear taking more of that medicine now. This mmorning I have been off Elavil since Thursday's bedtime. (at around the 72 hr mark this am). Lots of withdrawl symptoms to deal with, but I am dealing with them the best I can.

I just found this website so I am not ready to sign on because of my concerns for privacy; maybe later I will. The site is already helpful and is helping me deal with some pain at least and learn more about things I can do to help myself get my life back as much as possible. I have had so many health problems in my adult life since I first got seriously ill with an infection.The only thing that keeps me going sometimes is hope that things can get better.

Right now I wished I never took this medicine. It really helped for years; but eventually the dose increased and the side effects mounted in a sneaky way. Now I am left feeling hurt by the medicine that once helped me so much to deal with pain.

Anybody else going through this kind of a situation?

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  • Elavil for pain? Let me guess...they told you that you had pain because you are depressed?I'm a nurse and I'm constantly trying to figure out how and why they tell people that they are having physical symptoms due to depression.Does it make sense that someone is experiencing physical symptoms because they are sad? HOW RIDICULOUS!! Do yourself a favor. Find Bioset or NAET therapy and go. I was sick for years. I was better after 2 months of this treatment. Look into it...save yourself....mommy cat
    mommy cat 1654 Replies
    • October 1, 2007
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  • I just went through a somewhat similar experience withdrawing from gabapentin/neurontin. I found EFT to be very helpful. You can find videos on Youtube that demonstrate it. Mercola.com also has some articles explaining it (it's a form of acupressure combined with affirmations). Best of all, it is free, self-administered, and you can do it right now. It sounds kind of hokey, but try it - you have nothing to lose.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 2, 2007
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  • Actually, depression is not just feeling "sad". According to the WebMD site "there is absolute proof that people suffering from depression have changes in their brains compared to people who do not suffer from depression. The hippocampus, a small part of the brain that is vital to the storage of memories, is smaller in people with a history of depression than in those who've never been depressed. A smaller hippocampus has fewer serotonin receptors. Serotonin is a neurotransmitter -- a chemical messenger that allows communication between nerves in the brain and the body". According to the Foundation for better health care site "depression is a biochemical disorder. It now appears that it is caused by low levels of two neurotransmitters (chemicals in the brain that deliver messages to nerve cells). These neurotransmitters are called serotonin and norepinephrine. Severely depressed individuals don't have enough serotonin and norepinephrine in their brains, so messages don't get relayed to nerve cells in the way they are supposed to".So it makes sense that if your brain chemistry is messed up, your body inevitably follows.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 2, 2007
    • 08:34 AM
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  • You are right Lenna. Psychosomatic illnesses are caused by mental and emotional stresses that manifest as physical diseases without biological causes. According to experts, some common psychosomatic illnesses include irritable bowel syndrome, upset stomach, muscle aches, tension headaches, chronic fatigue syndrome, hyperventilation or panic attacks, colitis and ulcers, and even infertility. The skill with which a person handles stress affects the potential appearance and severity of psychosomatic illnesses. Do not stop taking Elavil abruptly, especially if you have been taking large doses for a long time. Your doctor probably will want to decrease your dosage gradually. This will help prevent a possible relapse and will reduce the possibility of withdrawal symptoms....as you have unfortunately found out. Can you get some walking in and eat right? Some vitamins might help. Maybe a massage for stress relief? Type in "help with elavil withdrawal" and see if anything might work for you.
    rad-skw 1605 Replies
    • October 2, 2007
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  • I've been going off a cocktail of antidepressants, antipsychotics and antiseizure meds and have had some wierd symptoms too. I know I am not depressed because I've been depressed and know exactly how that feels but I'm not well either. I didn't go cold turkey, I ramped down as per dr's orders. I'm going to do some research...I'll post what I find.Connie
    sleepingbeauty 22 Replies
    • October 2, 2007
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  • NAET or Bioset sound similar to EFT but with these therapies there are no affirmations...just real science. Check it out...no matter what your "diagnosis" is or isn't. best wishes...mommy cat
    mommy cat 1654 Replies
    • October 2, 2007
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  • Elavil low dose (started out at 10 mgs) for non-malignant pain; FM; CFIDS; and IBS. To raise pain threshold; increase immunity; help thyroid hormone work better. It helped, never took pain away though just masked it. You'd try to go off it and eventually the pain would come back. Other medicines in the cockktail also, but the dr suspects the elavil and perhaps some others. Even the Maxide (diuretic) is not ruled out--- it has got me into trouble before with dehydration and eletrolyte imbalance that caused heart irregularities. So I am off all. What is funny is that when I have pain... I GET DEPRESSED for the pain and how it affects the things I do in my life. How many other people get depressed when they get feeling very sick and in lots of pain for a long time? Tons of people. It a chicken or an egg question for me; which came first. So often drs will as you say the depression caused the illness. But some seem to forget that with some illness; depression is even a symptom of the illness. Cancer is one such problem I believe. For me the pain came first and being ill with fever and jaundice; then came the ulcer/hemmorage, kidney problems, pancreas problems, etc etc. I think the chronic pain over the years and being sick so much, gave me that ulcer which is another irony.It sucks as young teens say nowadays; when you get ill and its chronic you end up in misery because no one can cure it. Drs just give you stuff that masks pain. My dr now is listening and wants also to get to the bottom of this; he called me this am. He feels bad that he still hasn't figured out what is causing me to be so ill. But he feels we are moving in the right direction as stopping all the medicines (a whopping amount of medicines) was the only thing that stopped that fever.BTW I did try alternative medicines before; I had a great MD before I found this one who was both an Ayurvedic DR trained in India and a AM. trained MD to boot. Sadly she went blind from an injury to her eyes caused by laser surgery. Some of the herbs and the diet did help some; and when the gallbladder decided to stop working she also got me western help (surgery).It sure was nice to have a dr with experience in both trad./alt. medicine and mod. western medicine. I miss that dr.I also went to a chiropracter; helped after a car accident.Yes sometimes alternative medicine helps too. Both alt and mod medicine have their strengths and their shortcomings I have have found. As far as modern medicine goes; too much reliance on drugs instead of lifestyle changes is a big thing. For myself, all the medicine that once helped now seems to not only have stopped working but has hurt me. drug fever? I never would have thunk it?I may well look into those two alt. txs; after things settle down. Right now I am way too ill; not at the point of needing hospitalization or a trip to the ER but getting close to it.Thank god my DR is trying to help me get well and is a great listener. My dr is probably one of the best around where I am at; and is so full he cannot accept new patients and hasn't in a long time. I dread the day he retires. I went through and fired some bad drs before I found him.The chiropractor sent me to him when I was so ill he was afraid to treat me (he felt I had a serious GI infection, which I did) in case I'd rupture my GI tract. I had just fired two drs, and the chiropractor told me to go see him right away and I did. The chiropractor also saved my life by sending me to a drs dr.My current primary dr saved my life a couple times already literally including diagnosing a rare amoeba infection that other drs missed (so rare I had to get a special medicine from a school of medicine that ran about 300 dollars). ; and has saved the life of some other people I also know. One of those drs that one would call a healer. And he won't quit in trying to find the answer to a baffling health problem that arises. He also knows when and who to send you to for a specialist. He is board cert. Internal med/ ob/gyn/family practice; though he dropped obs. I believe when the insurance got too high.I will look at thos txs when I am able to; but right now I have so many issues including recurrent serious infections that I need western medicine for.I came close to dying when I tried avoiding western medicine entirely; because I got fed up by two arrogant drs who did not listen to me as I got sicker and sicker. So I stay a middle ground now; though now I am cold turkey off medicines. Drug withdrawal is heck; I wished I didn't let the drug illness sneak up on me but it is hard to suspect something that you felt had helped you a long time. What irony.Thanks for your suggestions.Elavil for pain? Let me guess...they told you that you had pain because you are depressed?I'm a nurse and I'm constantly trying to figure out how and why they tell people that they are having physical symptoms due to depression.Does it make sense that someone is experiencing physical symptoms because they are sad? HOW RIDICULOUS!! Do yourself a favor. Find Bioset or NAET therapy and go. I was sick for years. I was better after 2 months of this treatment. Look into it...save yourself....mommy cat
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 2, 2007
    • 10:19 PM
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  • Thank you; I will look into it. Even if it sounds hokey. ;)Heck the word DRUG FEVER sounded hokey to me; I thought that dr was nuts. LOLI just went through a somewhat similar experience withdrawing from gabapentin/neurontin. I found EFT to be very helpful. You can find videos on Youtube that demonstrate it. Mercola.com also has some articles explaining it (it's a form of acupressure combined with affirmations). Best of all, it is free, self-administered, and you can do it right now. It sounds kind of hokey, but try it - you have nothing to lose.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 2, 2007
    • 10:22 PM
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  • Dr wants me to stay off all the medicines; he called me this am. ;)I got very ill first many years ago; then got depressed.Then I got more illnesses which made me more depressed.Vicious cycle it was; then it leveled off some. But always new infections would come up. Amoeba, Bacterial, and Candida infections. And new problems would come up. My immune system is not behaving the way it should as I have auto-immune diseases going on also.Too ill and weak for walking right now and there is too much pain going on in my stomach; feels like an ulcer right now. My balance sucks. My eyes are getting better, but I was having serious double vision and accomadation problems. But I am eating the best I have done in ages as far as healthy food goes.Years ago I was seen at a university hospital and I was told they felt I was very high risk for developing cancer. Cancer runs in the family; ovarian, breast (including a male with breast cancer) , Stomach, Brain; Colon. I am at high risk for breast, ovarian, as our family has a particularly rare BRCA1 gene mutation. And my mother had significant health problems all her life (ulcerative colitis and pernacious anemia). Thyroid problems also run in my family.I just wish I felt better; the pain is very bad and the fever weakens me. But I do the best I can and cope with things and keep pushing myself. And I try to keep hopeful that things can get better. Hope is so important. I also try to keep a sense of laughter; but that sometimes goes away during the more difficult times when I am very ill. Thank you all for the suggestions. And information also. I am fortunate to have a great dr; at least he has picked up on the drug fever and wants to get me feeling better so I can again get back to my doing all my favorite things in life without getting worn down and sicker. The dose wasn't too high as it was a low dose for the muscle pain more than anything. So dr thinks cold turkey is the way to go also. I am glad he gave me the call this am; more re-assuring to know he is aware of where I am at and how I am doing stopping all the medicines.----------- you wrote:Do not stop taking Elavil abruptly, especially if you have been taking large doses for a long time. Your doctor probably will want to decrease your dosage gradually. This will help prevent a possible relapse and will reduce the possibility of withdrawal symptoms....as you have unfortunately found out. Can you get some walking in and eat right? Some vitamins might help. Maybe a massage for stress relief? Type in "help with elavil withdrawal" and see if anything might work for you.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 2, 2007
    • 10:47 PM
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  • Thank you Connie. I think because of the high prolonged fever and because the dose was low; the dr felt it was probably better if I could to go off cold turkey then to taper for me since we seem to be headed in the right direction. His words. I concurr. ;)The drug fever was doing a number on my body. And that it went away after so long so soon after the meds stopped almost clinch the drug fever diagnosis. So did my long standing edema. And the vision problems cleared up quickly too. :)I may also have another strange infection or something else going on alongside the drug fever. I tend to catch things so easily. The stomach pain may be from a reaction to a ceph. antibiotic. But it is still painful; feels like an ulcer now. :(Got to go call the dr; he is leaving town and wanted me to call him and tell him how the fever was doing. It shot up to 100.4 this am. after going away.And may have to do with my stomach pain or the drug withdrawal (or both?).Thanks to all for caring and giving me information and support; I really needed it and still do. This is hard to bear at times. I am not good with pain.I've been going off a cocktail of antidepressants, antipsychotics and antiseizure meds and have had some wierd symptoms too. I know I am not depressed because I've been depressed and know exactly how that feels but I'm not well either. I didn't go cold turkey, I ramped down as per dr's orders. I'm going to do some research...I'll post what I find.Connie
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 2, 2007
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  • There is actually a medical syndrome associated with withdrawl symptoms from Antidepressants, it's called "Antidepressant Discontinuation Syndrome". Now the symptoms are as follows:The symptoms may be somatic (e.g., dizziness and light-headedness; nausea and vomiting; fatigue, lethargy, myalgia, chills, and other flu-like symptoms; sensory and sleep disturbances) or psychological (anxiety and/or agitation, crying spells, irritability). But if you go to a site called http://paxilprogress.org the symptoms can be much more invasive. Another site can tell you what the halflife of elavil is:http://www.aafp.org/afp/20060801/449.htmlThe shorter the half-life the worse the Syndrome is. Elavil has a long half-life and the symptoms you are having are not on the list. So maybe you have something else??? Not saying it is not due to the discontinuation of the med but it is not Antidepressant Discontinuation Syndrome.Connie
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  • Update: I am very ill but now I may have a new diagnosis. Ended up going to Em. Care and a another dr visit 8hrs later as things got worse yet; things worsened and off the drugs that were masking things a new symptom popped up. Extreme back pain that worsened, and also aftered left scapula (like my gall bladder pain did).Dr believes I have gotten a very bad virus that is playing a number with me; affecting many organs and systems. The back pain is from the pancreas and might be pancreaitis which can be caused by viruses. I think we caught the pancreatic problems in time though I cannot eat anything without pain and drinking fluids is also painful. If things continue to worsen I am to get straight in. I got very nauseated but never threw up; and terrible pain.I am on strict bed rest now, mild analgesics, and fluids (which are so hard to take in as get pain anytime I take in anything. But the pain is less. as the fluids get in, I am finally starting to urinate more though the edema/bloating of abdomen is still there. I just need to pray now and hope things don't keep getting worse; I am waiting now for test results on the pancreas.As for the drug fever possibility; it may not be that though it isn't completely ruled out. Drug fever was a possible reason for the prolonged fever of unknown origin, but it was just something that needed to be ruled out as a cause of the FUO. But getting off all the drugs I was on allowed me to feel the pain more and the new area of pain in my back from the ascites/edema popped up. Lots of pain without the drugs now; but we seem headed towards getting better right now. I am not out of the woods at all; so I have to listen to my drs and take care of myself and go right in to the er if I get worse. Thanks to all here. It is late and I must rest. I will be offline following the good drs orders. If things change; I will post an update when I am able.Dr wants me to stay off all the medicines; he called me this am. ;)I got very ill first many years ago; then got depressed.Then I got more illnesses which made me more depressed.Vicious cycle it was; then it leveled off some. But always new infections would come up. Amoeba, Bacterial, and Candida infections. And new problems would come up. My immune system is not behaving the way it should as I have auto-immune diseases going on also.Too ill and weak for walking right now and there is too much pain going on in my stomach; feels like an ulcer right now. My balance sucks. My eyes are getting better, but I was having serious double vision and accommodation problems. But I am eating the best I have done in ages as far as healthy food goes.Years ago I was seen at a university hospital and I was told they felt I was very high risk for developing cancer. Cancer runs in the family; ovarian, breast (including a male with breast cancer) , Stomach, Brain; Colon. I am at high risk for breast, ovarian, as our family has a particularly rare BRCA1 gene mutation. And my mother had significant health problems all her life (ulcerative colitis and pernacious anemia). Thyroid problems also run in my family.I just wish I felt better; the pain is very bad and the fever weakens me. But I do the best I can and cope with things and keep pushing myself. And I try to keep hopeful that things can get better. Hope is so important. I also try to keep a sense of laughter; but that sometimes goes away during the more difficult times when I am very ill. Thank you all for the suggestions. And information also. I am fortunate to have a great dr; at least he has picked up on the drug fever and wants to get me feeling better so I can again get back to my doing all my favorite things in life without getting worn down and sicker. The dose wasn't too high as it was a low dose for the muscle pain more than anything. So dr thinks cold turkey is the way to go also. I am glad he gave me the call this am; more re-assuring to know he is aware of where I am at and how I am doing stopping all the medicines.----------- you wrote:Do not stop taking Elavil abruptly, especially if you have been taking large doses for a long time. Your doctor probably will want to decrease your dosage gradually. This will help prevent a possible relapse and will reduce the possibility of withdrawal symptoms....as you have unfortunately found out. Can you get some walking in and eat right? Some vitamins might help. Maybe a massage for stress relief? Type in "help with elavil withdrawal" and see if anything might work for you.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 5, 2007
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  • I just posted a long update. Your post is very insigtful btw, Connie.Well, things got worse after my last post.... the possible diagnosis is now pancreatitis and a very bad viral infection I am dealing with that affects me in many ways. The drs words... a nasty virus that is doing a major number on me. Dr I saw seemed certain about it being viral because of the symptoms I had when I saw the dr this am.Dr is out of town, but I have two great back up drs on call for him. And they are in contact with him also. The dr felt bad & uncomf. leaving me as I was getting sicker; went in to a UC and then a second dr visit the next am. Now symptom popped up; extreme back pain. Getting off the drugs masking the pain seems to have done the trick; but I am reminded why I was on some of the meds also. Pain sucks and I don't do well with pain; so I took the medicines for the chronic pain issues originally. They stopped working... maybe because of a nasty virus infection. The other possibility is something else changed that cuased the back pain (which reminded me of my gall bladder pain in many ways) but the catscan and blood work right now shows no cancer and other things. *Cancers run in my family so it is a possibility; but hopefully it is a viral cause and I caught the pancreatic issue in time.Thank you Connie and others. I need to rest up and follow the drs orders so I may be offline awhile.There is actually a medical syndrome associated with withdrawl symptoms from Antidepressants, it's called "Antidepressant Discontinuation Syndrome". Now the symptoms are as follows:The symptoms may be somatic (e.g., dizziness and light-headedness; nausea and vomiting; fatigue, lethargy, myalgia, chills, and other flu-like symptoms; sensory and sleep disturbances) or psychological (anxiety and/or agitation, crying spells, irritability). But if you go to a site called http://paxilprogress.org the symptoms can be much more invasive. Another site can tell you what the halflife of elavil is:http://www.aafp.org/afp/20060801/449.htmlThe shorter the half-life the worse the Syndrome is. Elavil has a long half-life and the symptoms you are having are not on the list. So maybe you have something else??? Not saying it is not due to the discontinuation of the med but it is not Antidepressant Discontinuation Syndrome.Connie
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 5, 2007
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  • My husband is on this drug and many others for back pain. He recently underwent surgery in Germany and had 4 discs replaced in his back.But he is under the supervision of a dr specializing in pain medicine. Ask your dr if there is one in your town. They have helped him with monitoring his medicine regime.Also, try accupuncture...immediately...or other alternative types of non prescription medicine. Good Luck! Also, don't be afraid to go to AA or NA there are people there just like you!
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    • October 6, 2007
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  • Elavil low dose (started out at 10 mgs) for non-malignant pain; FM; CFIDS; and IBS. To raise pain threshold; increase immunity; help thyroid hormone work better. I will look at thos txs when I am able to; but right now I have so many issues including recurrent serious infections that I need western medicine for.I came close to dying when I tried avoiding western medicine entirely; because I got fed up by two arrogant drs who did not listen to me as I got sicker and sicker. So I stay a middle ground now; though now I am cold turkey off medicines. Drug withdrawal is heck; I wished I didn't let the drug illness sneak up on me but it is hard to suspect something that you felt had helped you a long time. What irony.Thanks for your suggestions.What type of serious infection? I have one too, which is caused by hypothyroidism. I am being treated right now for it. Very nasty and there is no other treatment than high-dose Ibuprofen for 3 to 4 months. If it isn't treated the symptoms of the inflammation and infection can kill you, sending blood clots to your heart or lungs or brain.Here's an interesting link about drugs which interact with elavil.http://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/elavil_d00146.htmlIt has minor interactions with these thyroid drugs:Armour Thyroid, Levothroid, Levothyrox, Levothyroxine, Levoxyl, Liothyronine (T3), Nature-Throid, Thyroid Desiccated, Thyrolar-1, Thyrolar-1/2, Thyrolar-1/4, Thyrolar-2, Thyrolar-3, Unithroid.Those are all thyroid medications.Here's an example from clicking on a link on that web page:Interactions between elavil (amitriptyline) and Armour thyroid (thyroid desiccated) amitriptyline and thyroid desiccated (Minor Drug-Drug)Exogenous thyroid may accelerate the onset or potentiate the action of tricyclic antidepressant effects. The mechanism and clinical significance is unknown. Some clinicians have used this interaction therapeutically. However, individual cases of paroxysmal tachycardia, hypothyroidism, and thyrotoxicosis have been reported.So that means Elavil could actually worsen your thyroid disease not make it better.I can relate to not trusting doctors and suspecting something is wrong. I've had the inflammation and infection I mentioned above for 8 months and just got diagnosed on the 27th of September. Yet, I knew the symptoms meant I had the condition. And several times I asked the ER doctors I saw if it could be it. The all denied it. I've been to the ER 10 times in the last 8 months and finally my symptoms were so blatant and extremely painful that I got diagnosed. Though I do believe I would have been diagnosed sooner if I hadn't been on ASA (aspirin) Therapy which masked the inflammation and infection.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • October 6, 2007
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  • I found this thread because I was looking for a site I found last year explaining why individuals who get fevers after taking meds get them. I get fevers within the day I take new meds prescibed. And this site gave a good explaination but I have been unsuccesful IN finding it. I do suffer pain too. Fibromyalgia is what it's called these days. And I find the good all rememdy called laughter too be the only remedy. Patch Adams the movie summed it up pretty well. Others in history have said the same...;) Laughter creats the neccesary chemicals to "contridict" pain. Ok, hope this helps....comedies on cd, dvd, on"tape" etc are a great natural remedy to sadness and actually figuring out why one is sad. I figured out why I was sad....I needed to be part of the solutions in our world and I wasn't, I was being upset about them all the time instead. This produces bad chemicals that make one's body sick....LAUGH - DREAM - HOPE - LIVE ------ ; )p.s. The practioners since 2004 say now I must be suffering from a head injury because all my symptoms since being hit by a car in 84 indicates that...so they say. LAUGH - LIVE LIFE
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