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Chronic insomnia and urinating at night problems

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  • Posted By: mr. moore
  • February 26, 2009
  • 02:12 AM

ive been searching for so long to find out whats wrong with me i keep thinking im gonna go crazy! but i never do. anyways theres been a pretty wide range of problems i've been experienceing, and they are all symptoms of insomnia. i've had it since i was a kid but through high school the symptoms i felt (anxiety, brain fog, confusion, can't focus or plan) i was told by people i respected, doctors, that it was psychiatric and i could only take pills and try and rethink my life. well the problem persists!! I HATE IT. it used to be way back when i was 12 my insomnia was from sugar at night. well i cut that, i excersize during the day, eat right, and stop drinking water at night. but two things happen:
1) i end up swallowing all my spit and peeing it out, which ends up waking me up or
2) my mouth gets so dry from lack of water i have to just get a sip. but then i have to pee that out, right before i sleep!

please help or give me some advice is it a bladder problem? thanks. (ps im a 19 year old guy)

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  • its not letting me edit it, but i wanted to change the title to something more urgent. i've almost gotten into many car crashes and the anxiety i feel from being unable to respond to daily life is wearing me down! last year it almost brought me to kill myself. i was treated with anti this, and anti that, but nothing helped the confusion and brain fog i felt, and feel every day. it's getting worse too. i guess sleep deprivation IS the ultimate form of torture huh? please someone help.
    mr. moore 30 Replies
    • February 26, 2009
    • 02:36 AM
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  • my wife tells me that her mother went through somewhat what you are going through and it was deemed to be the onset of kidney failure. You should check that out.
    ckanaan 33 Replies
    • February 26, 2009
    • 04:07 AM
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  • so either my kidneys failing (believable but extreme) or it's electromagnetic waves in the air (something infinitimely ridiculous) well thanks guys.
    mr. moore 30 Replies
    • February 27, 2009
    • 00:51 AM
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  • dear Mr. Moore: You got onto this site for ideas...and we are giving you ideas. So I am asking, why the ridicule?? The readers Im sure cannot diagnose you or fix you over the computer. We are simply giving you ideas of our experiences and/or knowledge of your condition. You can decide to take this info to your doctor or just leave it on WD. Im not sure about the rest, but I am merely tring to honestly help and wish you the best in finding a good diagnosis from you doctor.
    ckanaan 33 Replies
    • February 27, 2009
    • 01:54 AM
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  • dear Mr. Moore:You got onto this site for ideas...and we are giving you ideas. So I am asking, why the ridicule?? The readers Im sure cannot diagnose you or fix you over the computer. We are simply giving you ideas of our experiences and/or knowledge of your condition. You can decide to take this info to your doctor or just leave it on WD. Im not sure about the rest, but I am merely tring to honestly help and wish you the best in finding a good diagnosis from you doctor. Hi ckanaan, I'm only replying to let you know how i percieved mr.moore's reply, I didn't think that he was getting at you personally, my understanding was regarding electrosensitivity as this person hits everyone with it & people are tired of her neurotic ways, especially as she claims that she is a victim to ES but never gets away from her computer as this would actually pose her the greatest threat, if what she said was true and that she was truely ES then she would avoid it, as "Avoidance" is the key..........:confused: Your reply was really thoughtful, genuine & to the point, this site needs people like you, all any of us can do is suggest things or offer support & encouragement, sometimes it doesn't work but we keep trying as eventually it will help someone sometime...........:) mr.moore, sorry I can't help you as I don't know much about it, hope you get your answers soon. Best wishes...:)
    Tootsie 628 Replies
    • February 27, 2009
    • 01:09 PM
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  • You need to see a nephrologist or urologist.You are not peeing out the saliva you swallow.You would have to have an excess of that to unbalance your fluids in your body.Are you taking anything for sleep?If so,what is it?If not, what have you taken?I had insomnia when I was your age and had to take large doses of sedative-hypnotics.
    richard wayne2b 1232 Replies
    • February 27, 2009
    • 01:34 PM
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  • You need to see a nephrologist or urologist.You are not peeing out the saliva you swallow.You would have to have an excess of that to unbalance your fluids in your body.Are you taking anything for sleep?If so,what is it?If not, what have you taken?I had insomnia when I was your age and had to take large doses of sedative-hypnotics. im taking remeron on some days and spread it out over the week cause i don't want to become tolerant. other days i just take clonopin. either way i wake up very unrested even if i get a lot of sleep and don't wake up...
    mr. moore 30 Replies
    • February 27, 2009
    • 09:18 PM
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  • ive been searching for so long to find out whats wrong with me i keep thinking im gonna go crazy! but i never do. anyways theres been a pretty wide range of problems i've been experienceing, and they are all symptoms of insomnia. i've had it since i was a kid but through high school the symptoms i felt (anxiety, brain fog, confusion, can't focus or plan) i was told by people i respected, doctors, that it was psychiatric and i could only take pills and try and rethink my life. well the problem persists!! I HATE IT. it used to be way back when i was 12 my insomnia was from sugar at night. well i cut that, i excersize during the day, eat right, and stop drinking water at night. but two things happen:1) i end up swallowing all my spit and peeing it out, which ends up waking me up or2) my mouth gets so dry from lack of water i have to just get a sip. but then i have to pee that out, right before i sleep! please help or give me some advice is it a bladder problem? thanks. (ps im a 19 year old guy)I don't think you have a bladder issue. It sounds to me like you are full of anxiety, which can cause all of the symptoms you have listed including the urination at night (especially if you are so concerned about it you think you are peeing out your spit). You say the docs told you it was psychiatric and you should re-think your life.....but you don't mention if you have done any cognitive work to deal with the anxiety. Taking pills for it only treats symptoms, not the underlying problem. I would strongly recommend you try to treat the anxiety by use of changing your thought patterns. There are many websites out there that show you precisely how to do this. Believe me, anxiety is a real issue. I used to suffer extreme anxiety and know first-hand all the symptoms it can cause.....please don't discount this.Best wishes to you!
    Harmonium 322 Replies
    • February 27, 2009
    • 11:18 PM
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  • If you are a male, then the urgency can be caused by an enlarged prostate. Male or female it can be caused by bladder spasms. Some people, no matter what the age can get this. My mom started having problems in her late 20's. They prescribed a pill (sorry can't think of the name) to cease the sense to go (especially at night). Another cause can be a pre-cursor to diabetes. Pre-diabetics can start experiencing dry mouth, frequent urination, blurred vision, etc. Although you don't mention the vision, it still can have something to do with insulin resistance and your body's ability to utilize glucose.Kidney failure? Hmm I think that's a bit extreme but if you get a creatin, BUN, protein tests (ask your Doctor) that's where they check your kidney function.
    Carrlexzi 36 Replies
    • February 27, 2009
    • 11:33 PM
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  • Remeron and clonidine are not sleep meds!They're an antidepressant and BP meds.Have you tried Ambien?
    richard wayne2b 1232 Replies
    • February 27, 2009
    • 11:57 PM
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  • Remeron and clonidine are not sleep meds!They're an antidepressant and BP meds.Have you tried Ambien? i know but i have anxiety, a lot, and it goes throughout the night as well. my doc won't prescribe me anything i had to get remeron through my neurologist. and i can't have diabetes because i was THOUROUGHLY blood tested. not sure about the prostate thing. my own thoughts are: sleep apnea, or prostate problems. either way i can't get good sleep.
    mr. moore 30 Replies
    • February 28, 2009
    • 03:38 AM
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  • How is your urination during the day? Approx. how many times do you urinate in the day? How many times at night? do you have any issues with urgency, low flow, burning urination or any other urinary problems? Do you have low back pain or flank pain? Is it difficult to get to sleep? Or do you wake up frequently, or both? Do you ever experience your heart beating (palpitations), or do you ever have chest pain? Have you ever had a flight or fight response like a panic attack? How much water do you drink daily? How much caffeinated beverages, and do you drink so called "energy" drinks? Do you drink alcohol or take any recreational drugs? If you could answer these questions - I know there's a lot- it may be helpful. Best wishesDOM
    acuann 3080 Replies
    • February 28, 2009
    • 03:46 AM
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  • How is your urination during the day? Approx. how many times do you urinate in the day? How many times at night? do you have any issues with urgency, low flow, burning urination or any other urinary problems? Do you have low back pain or flank pain? Is it difficult to get to sleep? Or do you wake up frequently, or both? Do you ever experience your heart beating (palpitations), or do you ever have chest pain? Have you ever had a flight or fight response like a panic attack? How much water do you drink daily? How much caffeinated beverages, and do you drink so called "energy" drinks? Do you drink alcohol or take any recreational drugs? If you could answer these questions - I know there's a lot- it may be helpful. Best wishesDOM glad to answer.i pee a lot during the day mostly because i drink so much water, a kind of ritual but it could be worse. no i just feel that ever present "you gotta go someday" sensation when you knowyou have to pee at night time even if i didn't drink anything before. and if i did it was to wet my throat because it was so dry. my throat gets real dry at night. prolly allergies. i frequently get a panicked response but thats mostly when too much is going on in the enviroment or im anxious, which is all the time. trying to focus when your too tired all the time makes me very nervous, mostly that i'll screw up and look stupid. you should see the dark lines under my eyes they never go away. and no, i don't take drugs. my kidney's and stuff are fine, from the blood work.
    mr. moore 30 Replies
    • February 28, 2009
    • 04:22 AM
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  • Why won't your doctor give you anything for anxiety?If anyone ever needed it,it's you!Plus,I forgot to mention that extreme anxiety can lead to urinary frequency.And you were correct to say that electromagnetic sensitivity as a cause of your problems is ''infinitely ridiculous.''
    richard wayne2b 1232 Replies
    • February 28, 2009
    • 02:10 PM
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  • glad to answer.i pee a lot during the day mostly because i drink so much water, a kind of ritual but it could be worse. no i just feel that ever present "you gotta go someday" sensation when you knowyou have to pee at night time even if i didn't drink anything before. and if i did it was to wet my throat because it was so dry. my throat gets real dry at night. prolly allergies. i frequently get a panicked response but thats mostly when too much is going on in the enviroment or im anxious, which is all the time. trying to focus when your too tired all the time makes me very nervous, mostly that i'll screw up and look stupid. you should see the dark lines under my eyes they never go away. and no, i don't take drugs. my kidney's and stuff are fine, from the blood work. What about a 24 hour urine test for cortisol levels? Just throwing that out there... I agree that you should get your anxiety under control, but think a more natural approach may be more helpful than antianxiety meds (sometimes they work wonderfully, and sometimes they just add more side effect symptoms). Best wishesDOM
    acuann 3080 Replies
    • February 28, 2009
    • 03:13 PM
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  • I have terrible bladder problems and terrible insomnia as well. I've had bladder problems since I was a child and I was originally diagnosed with overactive bladder, so you should go see a urologist. Then as my bladder progressively got worse I was diagnosed with Interstitial Cystitis, you could research that as well. Men in my family have prostrate problems that cause frequent urination. I can say from experience that anxiety can cause frequent urination, and anxiety can also worsen an already existing bladder problem. I've met people who didn't have any bladder problems until they started experiencing anxiety, then they had to go 20 x's during the night. Or, people like me, who already have a bladder disorder, only get worse w/ anxiety. There is also one more thing I read about in a book called "Hello Sleep Goodbye Insomnia", called "compulsive urination insomnia"...you can look that up. I would suggest a good psychologist for the anxiety, somebody who has experience w/ insomnia, a good psychiatrist, and seeing a urologist. If you can't do all that, you could go rent some books on insomnia and anxiety and overactive bladder. They will probably reccommend relaxation cd's, which have helped me at times, and following sleep hygiene rules. Have you noticed if any foods make your bladder worse? Maybe you should keep a food diary. For me personally, any foods that are acidic make me go more, like fruits. Hope this helps. And I laughed at your post, electro waves being infinitely rediculous. I don't think your spit has anything to do w/ bladder frequency either. I've never heard of that and I've been seeing urologists since I was 8 years of age.
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