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8 year dauhgter old has itch in crotch area...doctors can't find anything!

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  • Posted By: norbertsf
  • September 25, 2008
  • 01:04 AM

Ok, my healthy 8 year old daughter itches her vaginal area almost constantly. This has been going on for almost 4-5 months now. I am worried, because she has seen our family doctor, plus another general practitioner, and both say there is nothing wrong.
We have even had a culture done to check for bacteria/fungus/urinary/yeast infection, and it came back negative.
My wife says she is NOT taking her to a doctor again, she thinks that they will think we are fussing over nothing.
I think the problem is real. My daughter itches constantly (even doing odd squirms in public when she is trying to not use her hand to scratch). It seem to just "bother" her most than anything. No pain.
Is this something a Gynocologist or Dermatoligist should look into?
There are no visible signs.
Is it a mental thing? hanks for the comments, but she has NO redness, and NO lesions.
She looks completey fine down there. The says the area of itch is in the actual vagina area (NOT the surrounding skin). There is also no redness there.

We are just at wits end, since the general practitioners find nothing wrong.

She is 8 and we make sure she bathes every other day with a non allergenic soap.

She has never had allergies, and the only thing (drug wise) that she is taking is Ketoconazole cream (prescription) for a nail/fungus issue on one of her toes.

Thanks for the direction advice
Norbert

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  • hello, it can be candida.one question when do you see that itch gets worse? do you have any animals? traveled?In the blood test tell me how the eosinofils were
    paules86 18 Replies
    • September 25, 2008
    • 01:15 AM
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  • We have a 13 year old cat.The itching seems to be pretty consistent throughout the day.I looked up candida, but the symptoms seem so broad....like a catch all?hmm...Any more info? Should I bring up candida with her Doctor?My wife brought up the possible connection between the fungus on her toe with the itching but he said there is positively no connection.This is very frustrating. Norbert
    norbertsf 1 Replies
    • September 25, 2008
    • 02:53 AM
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  • Acupuncture would help her a lot, if she would allow it...have you ruled out any abuse on the part of anyone who has access to her alone?
    Monsterlove 2921 Replies
    • September 25, 2008
    • 02:59 AM
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  • Hi!I was completely lost without diagnost. Having itch, nails problems, weight lost, and mile(mispelled) diabetes.My diagnoses was made by a blood test called Glucagon. You may ask your doctor to order it. Doctors do not know much about it. Go to a lab, and ask for it. Most of the lab's people do not know about it. You may want to go on the internet, and put glucagon and search. When you find it take a copy and take it to any lab. They will send it to especific lab. It will take 2 weeks to get the result. You may ask about the range the lab use. It my be 30-200 or 0-60 or other number. You need to know in order to see if it is high level.I got my diagnost at the San Sun Clinic in Santa Barbara, California. I got this very rare type of cancer, called GLUCAGONOMA.I hope that your doughther doesn't have it, but it is slow growing type of cancer.Good luck,Maria
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • September 25, 2008
    • 04:49 AM
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  • She probably has a food allergy...try putting her on a candida diet. Take her off wheat, yeast, sugar, dairy....etc.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • September 25, 2008
    • 07:41 AM
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  • Have they tested for pinworms? These symptoms fit this diagnosis.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • September 26, 2008
    • 02:17 AM
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  • It would be worthwhile taking her to a pediatric gyn if it persists. There are other diseases that can cause this, such as lichen sclerosus or she may have toilet paper or something else inside that could be irritating her (and she may have no memory of it). I don't think it would hurt to empirically treat her for a yeast infection either, with the pill. It's not common, but it is possible for someone that young to get one.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • September 26, 2008
    • 03:46 AM
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  • I would do away with washing with soap down there. Maybe she is allergic or maybe she isn't rinsing good enough and still soapy residue reamins and causes itches. She's also old enough to start showering, so maybe go to daily showers. Giver her a face cloth and teach how to really clean down there with just hot water. Good luck
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • September 26, 2008
    • 02:50 PM
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  • Candida is in all of our bodies and an overgrowth of Candida is usually responsible for what is commonly caused a yeast infection. It is also responsible for common ailments like Athletes Foot & Jock Itch. Request that her physician do a fungal swab of the area. It does not have to be in the vagina. If you prefer not to go to the Dr again and would like to try treating this at home you can use Gyne-Lotriman or its generic equivalent applied topically. Prevention is the best: Do not allow her to wear panties, tights, pants that are too tight. Also, only let her wear cotton panties, nylon, ect., does not breathe and simply keeps moisture in. Avoid tights and panty hose as they do not let the area "breathe" and yeast (candida) thrives in warmth and moist areas. Make sure she is drying herself after urination well and make sure she wipes from front to back. Do not let her keep a wet bathing suit on. Change panties if they become damp. Girls should shower. Period. Sitting in a bath is sitting in dirty water. Also Avoid Bubble Baths! Do not use anti-bacterial soaps in that area, as they upset the normal bacteria and flora that are usually kept in check naturally by our bodies. Eating Yogart can help restore the bodies natural "check" on yeast (candida) I am sure this does not apply to your daughter but, for any women reading this, it might be helpful; Do not douche! This does not clean "out" the vagina, it merely upsets the bodies natural balance of good and bad bacterias and flora, and can cause yeast overgrowth, thus a Yeast Infection. I have seen more women with infections and yeast overgrowth due to this! Your body is cleaning itself out when you have a period. Let mother nature do her job, she does it well and has had years of experience! If after all this, and she continues to "itch" it might be time to look into: Allergies to laundry detergents, soaps, fabric softners, powders, anything she comes into contact with. Change Dr's if you are not happy. Talk to your Dr about possible psychological causes. Talk to your daughter about the right kind of touching and the WRONG kinds of touching (a talk every parent should have with their children Finally, rule out any sexual molestation. Unfortunately, it does happen, and it is usually a family member or a close family friend. Hope this helps, I was a Certified Medical Assistant for over 20 years and worked in Psychiatry, Pediatrics, and OB/GYN
    ScaredCrazy 8 Replies
    • September 27, 2008
    • 07:18 PM
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  • Dear Norbert :I am not a doctor but do work in genetics (17 years) I imagine I have studied more than they have. One person suggested diet. That is my first clue. What works for me. OMIT food first. Start her back with green stuff..... lots of lettuce, celery, you can even add some carrots for snacks, Nothing in a package or box. Just pain food. Apples and Pears work but NO citrus. Breakfast cereals would cause anyone to itch. Plain chicken, meat, no dressings that are spicy. Cut the sugar, you can even be allergic to bread...... they hide nice stuff in bread. Seafood! Food dyes. Tomatoes! All culprits in kids. With the help of a good heath food store and lots of reading here, check out Acidolphulus. Be sure its ok for a child under 12. Yogurt is, so I think so, but check very carefully. Forget those blood tests, most are worthless. Its a body! Her Mom can break open a capsule of this stuff and make a paste, or even use it as dust. Same as in yogurt..... You can put acidolphulus anywhere. It stops all kinds of yeasty things that are the bad guys and restores the good guys. Antibiotics in anyone destroys them all. If she took any for any reason, the good guys are probably gone, too. They need to come back. I don't use yogurt because I react violently to milk.Drink it, insert it, dust with it, whatever. Its good bacteria. Pure plain underware. Wash it in baking soda not soap. She could be very sensitive there and any soap irritates it. Baking soda does a nice job, great on sheets. The way to find the cause is by elimination. It takes a week to get some things through the body. Don't just eliminate for two days and say that was not it. 10 days.... then move on to something else. Someone said the family pet. OK, is it dusted with anything. Do you give it the pill to stop flees. Her handling the dog or cat could cause an allergy to shampoo of the pet. I had a friend allergic to his sofa. Cloth sofa. When I read your post, my first reaction is allergy. My next reaction is candida.... yeast (forget the doc and tests). I think tomatoes, grass, dust things, too much sugar and flour, boxed cereals, milk. Soft drinks with dye. (red and yellow a major culprit). Acidy things and things that ferment like hard cheese.... culprits. My next thought is a chart. Ask her when it appears to be worst.1. What has she eaten today and yesterday. 2. What has she done today and yesterday and where? 3. Just to be sure: is she upset over anything in the last 24 hours. (can bring out allergies). Watch her sharing foods at school. I had two very allergic children and we won the battle but omission and elimination diets are what worked the best. We added things back one at a time and found it ! Good luck. Poor little thing. Find it.......you can! hopabout P.S. Change the brand of toilet paper, too.
    hopabout 3 Replies
    • September 28, 2008
    • 06:56 PM
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  • Some great suggestions there mate.if all of that fails i would try psychotherapy. it may be a reaction to some sort of anxiety and may just be a sort of coping mechanism of some sort.hope this helps,Mubs
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • September 28, 2008
    • 11:04 PM
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  • It is likely Lichen Simplex or Lichen Sclerosis. It fits the same symptoms I have been living with for a long time as well. It is very overwhelming. Good Luck, my doctor found it by doing a biopsy! Hope you find relief! You arent alone.
    sunflowery 7 Replies
    • November 3, 2008
    • 04:34 PM
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  • Do you use a scented toilet paper? A lot of females are allergic to it and can cause very bad itching and redness. Try using the unscented for a while to see if that solves the problem.
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  • There is a possibility you will have to give your daughter a monthly deworming tablet once for 3 months and there on ever quarter.. This will rule out the possibility of digestive tract worms.. Pls chck with your doc.Candidiosis is possibly one of the reason for the itchiness..Application of a candidiosis cream might help.Ensure she washes her private part with warm water mixed with rock salt each time.The saline soultion kills the germs.Soak her inner clothes in a antiseptic germicidal solution and hand wash with a softner detergent, not the harsh detergents.It could also be the material of the panty, change the brand, or switch to pure cotton ones. Rather let she not wear one once shes back home from school till it heals..Pls check if she is into a habit of scratching due to the itchiness.Keep track of her finger nails to be cut regularly and file with a emery board. Keep a soft cotton cloth and ask her to rub really slowly with the cloth and do not allow direct contact..Advice her not to touch as much as possible.Luke Warm coconut oil can also be applied at night time if there are no bruises due to scratching..If all this is followed, am sure most of the symptoms will gradually come down and also disappear.. saline warm water being the best solution.Cheers,Hoping she will heal soon..
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  • I had that and everyone thought it was candida, but was just ecema. pregnenalone cream helps alot
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  • Have they tested for pinworms? These symptoms fit this diagnosis.This is exactly what I was thinking. When my daughter was 3, she contracted pinworms while staying at my MIL's house. The doctor told me it was because of the dogs. She would itch like mad, but mostly at night, as pinworms are nocturnal. They're easy to diagnose, and easy to cure, but there's a lot of work to do so that no one else gets them. You musn't whip sheets when making the beds, because thier eggs are like dust, and can be inhaled. I had to sterilize everything. Good luck. I hope you find out what's bothering the poor child. It has to be very disheartening for her.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • August 10, 2009
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  • I have had similar itching with all tests coming back negative. I have dry skin, why they can't tell me but olive oil/a&d ointment as moisturizers seem to help. I just keep having to apply them. Any moisturizer that isn't too irritating may help. It should work nearly overnight. Also changing soap and laundry soap helped the girls with sensitive skin in my family with itching/discharge in the genital/perineal area.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • August 11, 2009
    • 03:51 AM
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  • I agree that the process of elimination may help you find your answer. One of the first things I thought of was detergents. I have read all the posts here and there are some really good ideas, but I have thought of another that may or may not help you. Her underwear themselves may be the culprit. Do they have exposed elastic around the legs? I personally am allergic to latex, the elastic around the legs of underwear can cause itching or even hives. Try making sure that all of her underwear has material covering the elastic around the leg holes. As that area of your body is hot, it can be much more sensitive than other areas of your body. Or maybe even trying the little short style underwear, sorta like jockey shorts. Laundry detergents can definitely be a culprit of discomfort. I can't really add too much to what is already posted on this site, lots of good ideas. I do want to "parrot" the importance of elimination: allergies such as foods, detergents, dyes, baths and if all else fails Psychology. Anxiety/stress/nervousness can show itself in a lot of different ways in children as well. Best of luck with this.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • August 11, 2009
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  • I would try pinworm meds first. We had pinworms in January and I remember reading that they can crawl up into the vagina and cause itching there. I don't know if the same meds used over the counter for the intestines will work in that area, so I would definitely ask a doctor what to take. I'm sorry your wife and your daughter's doctor don't feel this is important. Your daughter is lucky to have you. Candida could be a cause, but be wary, most doctors don't understand candida very well. We are trying ThreeLac for candida in our family, but we just started so I can't tell you if it works or not. Wishing you and your daughter the best.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • August 15, 2009
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  • I too had this constant itch. It turns out that i had a yeat infection. Not the normal kind in the vagina where there is lots of white discharge but a skin on. Ofetn I would have little cuts. My doctor put me on over teh counter yeast cream to use for a long time around the vulvar skin are, outside only). The itching was severe that I think I ended up with lichen sclerosis and my vvulvar started to change. I had a bit of labia agglutination (two labis fuse, she started me on estrogen cream on skin). Within a week no more symptoms. Because your daughter is young check with your doctor if she can be on the yeast cream for skin (not inside vagina). She needs medication to make her stop itching while her infection resolves. the itching will make things worse. First I was put on steriouds but this made my epithelial (skin) in that area very fragile that it would tare easily. Also, no buble baths for your girl. use water only. I really hope that this will help. It was so bad for me for months at a time and it took one GREAT doctor that spotted the small cutts as yeast. Hope this helps
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • September 10, 2009
    • 06:22 PM
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