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4 yrs old STAREs out of the left corner of both eyes to watch TV

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  • Posted By: Okaachan
  • June 12, 2009
  • 03:25 AM

first of all, thanks a lot for reading and please bare with my poor English.

My 4 yrs old daughter stares with both eyes to the left corner when she watches TV, computer screen and movies.

I noticed it when she was 3 and have tried to stop her from watching TV at all but it's difficult sometimes...

I even have a baby ID photo of her "staring".

it's getting worse that she is even turning her head to the left to compromise.

She is highly aware of it as she gets told off by the grown-ups around her. but of course, she had no control and she would ask me if she is facing straight forward and sometimes ask me to correct her by holding or turning her head for her.

She had her eye-sights and eye-movements, eye-balls (sorry for lack of medi terms) checked at 2 eye-specialists here in Malaysia and Japan.

Results were her eye-sight is normal and eyes are normal. I have also consulted varies doctors and pediatricians here but they think she is normal and said it's rare to hear her conditions.

My friend's son who gets very tired easily when reading saw a specialist in singapore. My friend said it could be that her left eye's muscle is much stronger than her right. she suggests that I should cover up her left eye and gets her to use for right eye more.

I am very very worried. She can't read yet but knows all the numbers and most letters so I think I might be able to fly her to singapore to see that doc because he would need to test her by getting her to read out the letters.

She doesn't stare when she reads now (maybe thats because she cant read the print yet), when she flaps over pages to look at pictures and pretend to read, she reads or look at the book normally.

Any advice would be GREATLY APPRECIATED. thanks very much again.

with warm regards

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  • On a tv show there was a boy who always had his head tilted and they didn't know why. It turned out that one of the muscles attached to his eye, that allows the eyes to move, was too long on one side. So one eye could not move the same as the other eye and he had to tilt his head to see correctly. He had surgery to shorten the muscle and he could see straight.
    gr8tful 175 Replies Flag this Response
  • It could be lazy eye; it must be corrected before age 8-10 or it can lead to blindness. I would take her out of the country if you can't get a good exam there. However, it could just be a bad habit.
    Monsterlove 2921 Replies Flag this Response
  • Thanks so much for your resplies. It meant a lot to me. Now, I can start from somewhere. I must learn more about lazy eye. Out of the many eye symptons list, I thought it could be lazy eye as well. (just the name sounded appropriate to her condition). I also wonder if the specialist in Singapore could find out about her eye muscles. I am planning to go down this summer during the children's school holidays. THanks again. I look forward to more replies.
    Okaachan 3 Replies Flag this Response
  • Here is a web site that may be helpful to you, Please let me know if you have any trouble getting to it. Sounds to me as though a cranial nerve dysfunction could be to blame. http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec06/ch096/ch096d.html
    MK1987 35 Replies Flag this Response
  • Okay, well let's obtain some clarification before we start suggesting strabismus and cranial nerve dysfunction. When you state that your daughter demonstrates a discriminant gaze to the extreme left when viewing media stimuli, what does she do when other visual stimuli are placed directly in front of her? What is her positional gaze when reading or writing? Lastly, what is the static position of the eyes? Are they neutral and equal when observing the child's gaze at your nose for instance? When you ask her to track movement of your index finger to midline, extreme left and extreme right, up and down, is there is any inconsistency? Does she complain of eye fatigue or headaches? A strabismus or lazy eye, for example, cannot discriminate to certain visual stimuli only but remains consistent and what is seldom realized about strabismus is that the retina and visual cortex compensate for the disparate uniformity between the affected eye and the normal one, producing clear binocular vision depsite the wayward eye position. In other words, extreme gaze would not be necessary for the eye to see and track normally, despite its postitional abnormality. Additionally, there is nothing in this child's portrayal that would suggest any dysfunction with cranial nerves II, III, IV or VI and again, there would be consistency with a problem like this rather than discrimination to media stimulus only. The fact that all test results are normal would indicate that this is most likely a mere discriminant gaze wherein the child has become habituated to the manner chosen. Methods to alter this pattern would be placing the television or computer screen to the right of midline such that she cannot gaze with the eyes or head far enough to the left in order to comfortably view the screen, having the child seated to center or left of center. Again, it's important to determine if this is the only context in which the child demonstrates this pattern. If so, then extinguishing the behavior gradually in acceptance of more normal patterns will prove beneficial. I see nothing of the child's symptoms that would suggest pathology associated with either the optics or extraocular function associated with her eyes. Best regards, J Cottle, MD
    JCottleMD 580 Replies Flag this Response
  • Dear MK1987 and J Cottle, MD, thanks heaps for your reply. I would certainly look more closely into her eye movements and try out your advice today and find out her responses to them. Please allow me to post to this thread again with greater details and I sincerely seek for your further advice. thanks again.
    Okaachan 3 Replies Flag this Response
  • in the past 2 weeks, apart from cutting down TV time to only once a week (amazingly my 4 years old didn't protest at all), I tried to move the TV right in front of her and found that she could look straight ahead without doing the gaze for a longer period of time but eventually started her extreme gaze to the left and I needed to constantly correct her. I shifted the tv to the extreme right and that seemed to help, she could look straight ahead for even longer but after a minute or so, she started her extreme gaze to the left again but its easier to correct her then. she occasionally give people a extreme left gaze look but that's not very often. She doesnt do it to other stimuli like books and photographs. I observed her on the computer and she didnt do it much since she was using the mouse to play games as she was moving her eyes and hands. A mother of her classmate at kindy said her son did exactly the same thing 6 months ago and he has been corrected and doesnt do it anymore. They had his vision tested and one of his eye is mildly short sighted. I took my daughter to the same optometrist yesterday. The result was that her eye sights are normal and the optometrist also thinks that it's a habitual behavior. The optometirst suggested that my daughter should have her eye and hand coordination trained by learning to ride the bicycle. She also suggested me to put a mirror in front of her when she watches TV. She also stated that a newphew of hers had the same behavior (extreme gaze to one side) and she had the child monitored for 2 years and his eyesights were normal, but after 2 years, he began to develop short-sightness. I also checked with my daughter what was the reason for her behavior and she said it doesnt help her to see better but it's more easy on her eyes from doing it. Once again, thank you very much for listening and please forgive my poor English. Warm regards.
    Okaachan 3 Replies Flag this Response
  • i wish both you and good luck
    thelump 3 Replies Flag this Response
  • Hi, I notice this post is now a few months old but thought I would share my experience as I have a 10 month old son who watches TV out of the corner of eyes. I first noticed this when he was about 5 months old though he turns his head from one side to the other, sometimes looking out of the right corner and sometimes looking out of the left corner. He also does the same thing when you point a camera at him so I have very few photos of him where he is looking straight on at the camera from about the age of 5 months on. He also occasionally does it when he meets someone he is unfamiliar with as though he is being shy or coy, though in all other instances he looks straight on - it is only with TV and cameras so it's quite odd. I had him referred to an eye clinic at the local children's hospital and they are still unsure what is causing it as his eyesight appears to be normal - they were so intrigued they wanted to film him doing it (it's a teaching hospital) as they hadn't come across it before. The latest is that they think he 'might' have a rotating nystagmus in his right eye, where the eye rotates slightly and turning his head to the side steady's it. However they are not certain that this is the cause as a nystagmus is normally associated with eyesight problems and his eyesight is fine, plus he doesn't do it all the time just with TV and cameras. He is now on the waiting list at the hospital to have and MRI scan to see if there is anything wrong with the nerves leading to his eyes but he has been classified as non urgent so we're looking at a 6 month wait. I would be interested if you have an update on your little one?
    nicmcl186 1 Replies
    • November 7, 2009
    • 02:46 AM
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  • Cottle is right. Don't go chasing the ghosts of 4th nerve palsy and neurological anomaly's. Here's something. Almost all computers and t.v's emit polarized light (more light rays oriented in parallel). She could be tilting her gaze just to cut down on the intensity of computer and media screens. So put a pair of polarized sunglasses on her next time she watches t.v and see what happens.
    Croatiamedstudent 32 Replies
    • November 7, 2009
    • 08:10 AM
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  • Hi, I notice this post is now a few months old but thought I would share my experience as I have a 10 month old son who watches TV out of the corner of eyes. I first noticed this when he was about 5 months old though he turns his head from one side to the other, sometimes looking out of the right corner and sometimes looking out of the left corner. He also does the same thing when you point a camera at him so I have very few photos of him where he is looking straight on at the camera from about the age of 5 months on. He also occasionally does it when he meets someone he is unfamiliar with as though he is being shy or coy, though in all other instances he looks straight on - it is only with TV and cameras so it's quite odd. I had him referred to an eye clinic at the local children's hospital and they are still unsure what is causing it as his eyesight appears to be normal - they were so intrigued they wanted to film him doing it (it's a teaching hospital) as they hadn't come across it before. The latest is that they think he 'might' have a rotating nystagmus in his right eye, where the eye rotates slightly and turning his head to the side steady's it. However they are not certain that this is the cause as a nystagmus is normally associated with eyesight problems and his eyesight is fine, plus he doesn't do it all the time just with TV and cameras. He is now on the waiting list at the hospital to have and MRI scan to see if there is anything wrong with the nerves leading to his eyes but he has been classified as non urgent so we're looking at a 6 month wait. I would be interested if you have an update on your little one? When my son was small we noticed he was doing the same thing. He would watch tv out of the corner of his eyes. (left) We didn't think it was anything other than a strange little habit. Now he is almost 20. Once in a while we see him watching tv like this, but overall not a problem. He grew out of most of it.
    regenia 5 Replies
    • November 7, 2009
    • 03:33 PM
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  • I, too, have a 3-year-old who watches TV out of the corner of her eyes. Not all the time, but occasionally. Her pediatrician wants her vision check and her appointment is this week. I would love to know how your 4-year-old's behavior is doing now, months later.....
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • January 18, 2010
    • 09:26 PM
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  • I'm 21 years old, and I've been doing this even since I can remember. When I watch TV, I end up watching from the corner of my eye and don't even realize it until somebody points it out to me. I had an eye exam last year, and the results were perfectly normal. I'm not the only one who does this; my siblings, my cousins, and my aunt all do it. I still don't know what causes it, but it hasn't affected my life at all. I'm very smart (no intention of bragging here, seriously), I'm healthy, and I have no problem seeing. So far.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies Flag this Response
  • I too have this problem (37 years old) I watch TV and movies out of the right corner of my eyes with my head turned to the left. Scares the heck out of the person sitting to my left, who thinks I am starring at them, but otherwise no problems. Until recently, eye tests showed my vision was better than perfect. My father, sister, paternal aunt and several cousins also do the same thing. It is mostly a problem in dim light. I don't do it while watching TV with bright lights on. When I square my head to the TV, I can see it just fine, but it feels more comfortable to watch out of the corner of my eye. I would love to know what causes this!
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  • Hey, I was just googling about this subject, and this popped up. I'm 15 years old, and I've watched tv out of the corner of my eye since I was really young, and I have good vision. I think it's just a habit, so if you keep reminding your child to watch straight, I think they'll break the habit eventually. I've never tried breaking mine, for I've never had any problems with it. But it'd be easier to break the habit while they're younger.Good luck!
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • November 8, 2010
    • 11:01 PM
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  • I was searching for some kind of answer to this also. I am 21 years old and I too watch tv out of the corner of my eye. I have always done it, nobody else in my family does though, and we have always wondered what it was. It has never been a problem except for a short period of time when we moved our couch so that the tv was kind of to the right of our sight. After less than a week I began having problems with bright lights and slight headaches while watching tv, because I had been looking right when I usally look left. Not sure what was going on but i started wearing sunglasses and a baseball hat to try and dim the lighting, which really helped for some reason. Anyways we decided to move it back so it wouldnt be such a problem for me. But there are some interesting ideas as to what causes it on here.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • December 17, 2010
    • 09:19 AM
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  • I have just been googling, 'watching TV out the corner of my eyes', because I do this myself. I am 21, and as others have said, I do not realise I am doing it until someone points it out. I try to correct it and watch the TV square on but as soon as I'm not thinking about it, I watch out the corner of my eyes again. I believe it is just a habit and that I find it more comfortable. I don't believe its a problem at all.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • December 20, 2010
    • 01:09 AM
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  • My five year old turns her head to the left and looks out of the right corners of her eyes while watching tv and in the car. She also does this while looking at distance. We have been to many doctors. Most say it's a habit but don't know why it formed or how to correct it. One doc said fourth nerve palsy but others disagreed. Another said torticollis but physcial therapy found no problems or tightness with her neck. I have been trying to figure this out since I noticed it around 2 years old. The head turn has become more and more frequent. She is just starting to learn to read and I notice some resistance. Going down stairs is also very difficult. If you find any reason for the head turn, please post. Thank you.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • January 2, 2011
    • 03:02 AM
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  • Hi there:I chose to search this topic because I was curious about what causes me to do it! I'm 33 years old and I too have been watching TV from the corner of my eyes since as far back as I can remember. My parents tell me that I used to do it all the time and they tried to correct me to no avail. I still catch myself doing it now from time to time and I just turn my head to watch it directly.I'm doing just fine and my vision is 20/20. It hasn't gotten in the way of my lifestyle whatsoever. I've just finished grad school and I read a lot. My husband teases me about it, though!
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • January 7, 2011
    • 06:42 AM
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  • Thanks so much for your resplies. It meant a lot to me. Now, I can start from somewhere. I must learn more about lazy eye. Out of the many eye symptons list, I thought it could be lazy eye as well. (just the name sounded appropriate to her condition). I also wonder if the specialist in Singapore could find out about her eye muscles. I am planning to go down this summer during the children's school holidays. THanks again. I look forward to more replies.Hi,I know this reply is a long time post your discussion - but I am curious to find out how you have progressed.My 11 year old watches tv from the corner of her eyes too. Her reading is more than ok and she reads a lot. I have had her eyes checked and there appears to be no problems there either.Kylie
    Anonymous 42789 Replies
    • January 23, 2011
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