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10 years and still no answers

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  • Posted By: cyndib1959
  • May 1, 2007
  • 04:56 AM

For 10 years I have been suffering from joint pain, severe fatigue, bladder pain, rashes, dry mouth, dry eyes, unexplained lymph node swelling, ulcers in my mouth, cracked lips and corners of mouth, headachs, and severe depression. My life was great until I joined the Army. In my last few weeks of basic training I took a fall off and obstical and landed ******n my right leg and fell back into a wall. The next day I hurt and had to take my last physical fittness test. If you are not familiar with the Army PT test it consists of push ups, sit ups, and running two miles. there are standards for every age group as to how many you have to do in a two minute time period. The run is two miles in a specific time period by your age. The fall effected my ability in all of those areas. I barely passed and was in extreme pain after ward to the point that I was limping significantly. I was sent to the troop medical center to get checked out. There were no x-rays done, barely a physical exam and I was put on crutches for two weeks with ibuprofen for pain. I was better after two weeks and graduated and sent to advanced individual training, there I was put through the most intense physical torture I have ever endured by drill sergants. I ended up in the ER and on crutches again this time with more pain than ever before plus I could not put pressure on my left foot for the pain shot from my butt to my foot(siatica). I went to the medical clinic there and it was decided that I had tilted my pelvis and Sacro iliac joint off alignment. To make a long story short I have never been the same since. The pain is worse and to top it off they still don't know what is wrong. I have been given diagnosis of fibromyalgia, sjogrens, raynauds, osteoarthritis of every joint, and misdiagnosed with ankylosing spondylosis, I am sure the diagnosis of raynauds, osteoarthritis and sjogrens are correct as tests were positive, but can they cause the following. I suffer from short term memory loss, lack of concentration, I mix up my words in sentences, I can no longer spell very well (ankylosing spondylosis really got me, I used to know how to spell it, had to look it up) I forget what I say just after I say it. I have to make lists of what to do or I forget, I rely on sticky notes, I feel like I am losing my mind, and am sometimes to my shame and embarrassment, suicidal. I live 60 miles from any hospital or city so a day in town can cause me to be so fatigued that I sleep for 24 hours even days at a time, unable to function other than to stagger to the bath room. I have scared my husband so many times by passing out exhausted. I have had episodes of my lymph nodes in my groin, armpits, and neck swelling a long with my tongue cracking, ulcers in my mouth, migraine headaches with vomiting, sensitivity to light and fatigue. When I went to the doctor and he saw me he thought maybe mono and tested me for Epstein barr virus, it was negitive so were all the other tests he ran. He was at loss for what was wrong so gave me antibiotics and pain meds and sent me home. Eventually my symptoms got better (3 times this has happened with all tests normal). Still they are not sure what it could be, they just give me pain meds and leave it at that. I have been told maybe it could be Lupus, that is what I am going to approach my doctor with on my next visit. If any one has any ideas or the same symptoms with a diagnosis of something please contact me, if I could finally put a name to it I would rest more easy knowing it could be treated maybe. Fibromyalgia, yes I have the symptoms but I have more and some times severe to the point of being bedridden, stress seems to help set it off. I wonder also if the stress and injury I suffered in the army could have triggered all of this, because the pain and symptoms started there. My first severe flare up happened after I came home from training. I never had problems before then.:confused::(

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  • With the doctors you will get nowhere. Please read -http://forums.wrongdiagnosis.com/showthread.php?t=12933andhttp://forums.wrongdiagnosis.com/showthread.php?t=9052 Long threads - not exactly your case but the answers are sooo relevant. Many people have very similar problems on these forums. Mommy cat always points out www.ahummingbirdsguide.com - an ME site. I'd suggest reading it, in spite of Epstein-Barr being absent. If only to see what is going on in the world. I know there are cures, as you will see from the above threads.
    Curly Stooge 319 Replies Flag this Response
  • I have never posted or been involved in a forum, I thank you for responding with valuable information. I will check it out and research those sites. I find that people with chronic illness have to do their own research because the doctors do nothing past the office visit. Thank you so much again.
    cyndib1959 3 Replies Flag this Response
  • Cyndi...as curly mentioned above, I hope you visited the hummingbird site..all of your sx are there...I've been sick for 4 years and I'm a nurse...No doctor could tell me the problem...I've been wrongfully diagnosed with Perimenopause at age 35??????? Chron's disease, diverticulitis, Carcinoid syndrome(scary) and psychological problems...I am a very outgoing, intelligent individual who feel myself deteriorating daily...Please write down every sx you have from the hummingbird site...There will be many...keep in mind it's viral and contagious...There are hundreds of people on this site having similar problems...take a look at a few of the postings...you'll see what I mean...I have already heard from Maryland, PA, NY, CA, WA and there are others who have responded but I don't know where from...I believe this to be of epidemic proportions...keep in mind there was an ME outbreak in the 80's when the CDC changed the name to chronic fatigue syndrome which is confusing...people think they need to be tired all the time to have it when really, it's just the opposite however, ME patients do have some fatigue issues but mostly from not sleepin well....Even a healthy person would feel fatigued if they did not have a restful sleep...Good luck and let me know what you think...I'm keeping tract of all the people who believe this may be their proble...so far theres quite a few...Be well...mommy cat
    mommy cat 1654 Replies Flag this Response
  • For 10 years I have been suffering from joint pain, severe fatigue, bladder pain, rashes, dry mouth, dry eyes, unexplained lymph node swelling, ulcers in my mouth, cracked lips and corners of mouth, headachs, and severe depression. My life was great until I joined the Army. In my last few weeks of basic training I took a fall off and obstical and landed ******n my right leg and fell back into a wall. The next day I hurt and had to take my last physical fittness test. If you are not familiar with the Army PT test it consists of push ups, sit ups, and running two miles. there are standards for every age group as to how many you have to do in a two minute time period. The run is two miles in a specific time period by your age. The fall effected my ability in all of those areas. I barely passed and was in extreme pain after ward to the point that I was limping significantly. I was sent to the troop medical center to get checked out. There were no x-rays done, barely a physical exam and I was put on crutches for two weeks with ibuprofen for pain. I was better after two weeks and graduated and sent to advanced individual training, there I was put through the most intense physical torture I have ever endured by drill sergants. I ended up in the ER and on crutches again this time with more pain than ever before plus I could not put pressure on my left foot for the pain shot from my butt to my foot(siatica). I went to the medical clinic there and it was decided that I had tilted my pelvis and Sacro iliac joint off alignment. To make a long story short I have never been the same since. The pain is worse and to top it off they still don't know what is wrong. I have been given diagnosis of fibromyalgia, sjogrens, raynauds, osteoarthritis of every joint, and misdiagnosed with ankylosing spondylosis, I am sure the diagnosis of raynauds, osteoarthritis and sjogrens are correct as tests were positive, but can they cause the following. I suffer from short term memory loss, lack of concentration, I mix up my words in sentences, I can no longer spell very well (ankylosing spondylosis really got me, I used to know how to spell it, had to look it up) I forget what I say just after I say it. I have to make lists of what to do or I forget, I rely on sticky notes, I feel like I am losing my mind, and am sometimes to my shame and embarrassment, suicidal. I live 60 miles from any hospital or city so a day in town can cause me to be so fatigued that I sleep for 24 hours even days at a time, unable to function other than to stagger to the bath room. I have scared my husband so many times by passing out exhausted. I have had episodes of my lymph nodes in my groin, armpits, and neck swelling a long with my tongue cracking, ulcers in my mouth, migraine headaches with vomiting, sensitivity to light and fatigue. When I went to the doctor and he saw me he thought maybe mono and tested me for Epstein barr virus, it was negitive so were all the other tests he ran. He was at loss for what was wrong so gave me antibiotics and pain meds and sent me home. Eventually my symptoms got better (3 times this has happened with all tests normal). Still they are not sure what it could be, they just give me pain meds and leave it at that. I have been told maybe it could be Lupus, that is what I am going to approach my doctor with on my next visit. If any one has any ideas or the same symptoms with a diagnosis of something please contact me, if I could finally put a name to it I would rest more easy knowing it could be treated maybe. Fibromyalgia, yes I have the symptoms but I have more and some times severe to the point of being bedridden, stress seems to help set it off. I wonder also if the stress and injury I suffered in the army could have triggered all of this, because the pain and symptoms started there. My first severe flare up happened after I came home from training. I never had problems before then.:confused::(I really hate doing this because mercury poisoning from dental fillings is a very controversial diagnosis. BUT I knew a woman who was very, very sick for over 5 years. Had to quit her job & could barely function before she found an alternative doctor who thought she might have mercury poisoning - and then proceeded in refering her to a dentist who specialized in removing & replacing the fillings. I'm a traditional medicine believer myself. However,I'm having so many problems, I'm thinking about checking into it myself. Look at this link - http://curezone.com/dental/mercury_symptoms.aspand if you think it might pertain to you, just do some more google searches to get additional info. Good luck - to all of us!
    Jean Marie 38 Replies Flag this Response
  • Indeed, but it's far more than mercury alone. Consider reading Dr Hulda R. Clark's book "The Cure for All Diseases", I think it is still downloadable from www.makulumutis.com/downloads/cure.zip - it has also been published in print. (Doctors hate it.) Her view is that most illness is due to pollutants (mercury and many new ones) plus parasites. Either by itself may do nothing, but combined they can be a problem, causing tumors among other things. Hulda tends to over-emphasize, so don't let her depress you. Just take note of her idea. What she seems NOT to know is that our auras have many levels, all working towards health. No need to be extreme. Her diet ideas are worth looking at, avoiding toxic molds, being careful with metals and isopropile alcohol, etc. By getting such things right, you can help your body in general. Next, you'd need to search for someone there who builds a genuine and safe "zapper". Beware, some that they build, or give plans for online can be lethal, as the mains is not even isolated etc. A better one from Switzerland sells for 4000 US dollars, but you will need only the zapping function, as described in the above book - and the electronic parts for that are cheap. A very sick friend of mine uses the local "Driver Resonator" (about 1400 US dollars) from www.makulumutis.com and it worked extremely well for him. It is also used in some local hospitals here in South Africa. Some quotes by Hulda Clark - "Subsequent testing showed that (our success) was due to battery operation (DC offset, square waves). It kills all bacteria, viruses, and parasites simultaneously, given sufficient voltage (5 to 10 volts), duration (seven minutes), and frequency (anything from 10 Hz to 500,000 Hz). But it takes more than one treatment. It takes three treatments to kill everything. Why? The first zapping kills viruses, bacteria, and parasites. But a few minutes later, bacteria and viruses (different ones) often recur. I conclude that they had been infecting the parasites, and killing the parasites released them. The second zapping kills the released viruses and bacteria, but soon a few viruses appear again. They must have been infecting some of the last bacteria. After the third zapping I never find any viruses, bacteria, or parasites, even hours later." "Zapping does NOT kill shielded organisms, such as those that may be in the middle of your stomach or intestine. The electricity travels along the stomach or intestine wall, not through their contents." "The most important question, of course, is whether there is a harmful effect on you. I have seen no effects on blood pressure, mental alertness, or body temperatures. It has never produced pain, although it has often stopped pain instantly. This does not prove its safety. Even knowing that the voltage comes from a 9 volt battery does not prove safety, although it is reassuring." "The clotting of red blood cells, platelet aggregation and functions that depend on surface charges on cells need to be investigated. But not before you use it. Your safety lies in the short period of exposure necessary. Viruses and bacteria disappear in 3 minutes; tapeworm stages, flukes, and roundworms in 5; and mites in 7. One need not go beyond this time, although no bad effects have been seen at any length of treatment." "The first seven minute zapping is followed by an intermission, lasting from 20 to 30 minutes. During this time, bacteria and viruses are released from the dying parasites, and start to invade you instead. The second seven minute session is intended to kill these newly released viruses and bacteria. The third session (after another 20 to 30 minute intermission) kills the last viruses released (from dying bacteria in the second zapping)." Expensive but similar tricks are Radiant Plasma Resonant Frequency Systems - glass tubes with noble gasses in them, through which is run a type of welding torch arch, producing various fields with frequencies. These guys may at least be able to refer you to an expert zapper builder:http://stenulson.net/althealth/em7c.htmhttp://host14.ipowerweb.com/~stenulso/althealth/emanecdt.htmhttp://host14.ipowerweb.com/~stenulso/althealth/
    Curly Stooge 319 Replies Flag this Response
  • Have you been tested for HIV?
    Anonymous 42789 Replies Flag this Response
  • For 10 years I have been suffering from joint pain, severe fatigue, bladder pain, rashes, dry mouth, dry eyes, unexplained lymph node swelling, ulcers in my mouth, cracked lips and corners of mouth, headachs, and severe depression. My life was great until I joined the Army. In my last few weeks of basic training I took a fall off and obstical and landed ******n my right leg and fell back into a wall. The next day I hurt and had to take my last physical fittness test. If you are not familiar with the Army PT test it consists of push ups, sit ups, and running two miles. there are standards for every age group as to how many you have to do in a two minute time period. The run is two miles in a specific time period by your age. The fall effected my ability in all of those areas. I barely passed and was in extreme pain after ward to the point that I was limping significantly. I was sent to the troop medical center to get checked out. There were no x-rays done, barely a physical exam and I was put on crutches for two weeks with ibuprofen for pain. I was better after two weeks and graduated and sent to advanced individual training, there I was put through the most intense physical torture I have ever endured by drill sergants. I ended up in the ER and on crutches again this time with more pain than ever before plus I could not put pressure on my left foot for the pain shot from my butt to my foot(siatica). I went to the medical clinic there and it was decided that I had tilted my pelvis and Sacro iliac joint off alignment. To make a long story short I have never been the same since. The pain is worse and to top it off they still don't know what is wrong. I have been given diagnosis of fibromyalgia, sjogrens, raynauds, osteoarthritis of every joint, and misdiagnosed with ankylosing spondylosis, I am sure the diagnosis of raynauds, osteoarthritis and sjogrens are correct as tests were positive, but can they cause the following. I suffer from short term memory loss, lack of concentration, I mix up my words in sentences, I can no longer spell very well (ankylosing spondylosis really got me, I used to know how to spell it, had to look it up) I forget what I say just after I say it. I have to make lists of what to do or I forget, I rely on sticky notes, I feel like I am losing my mind, and am sometimes to my shame and embarrassment, suicidal. I live 60 miles from any hospital or city so a day in town can cause me to be so fatigued that I sleep for 24 hours even days at a time, unable to function other than to stagger to the bath room. I have scared my husband so many times by passing out exhausted. I have had episodes of my lymph nodes in my groin, armpits, and neck swelling a long with my tongue cracking, ulcers in my mouth, migraine headaches with vomiting, sensitivity to light and fatigue. When I went to the doctor and he saw me he thought maybe mono and tested me for Epstein barr virus, it was negitive so were all the other tests he ran. He was at loss for what was wrong so gave me antibiotics and pain meds and sent me home. Eventually my symptoms got better (3 times this has happened with all tests normal). Still they are not sure what it could be, they just give me pain meds and leave it at that. I have been told maybe it could be Lupus, that is what I am going to approach my doctor with on my next visit. If any one has any ideas or the same symptoms with a diagnosis of something please contact me, if I could finally put a name to it I would rest more easy knowing it could be treated maybe. Fibromyalgia, yes I have the symptoms but I have more and some times severe to the point of being bedridden, stress seems to help set it off. I wonder also if the stress and injury I suffered in the army could have triggered all of this, because the pain and symptoms started there. My first severe flare up happened after I came home from training. I never had problems before then.:confused::( Go to the book "Patient Heal Thyself" by Jordan S Rubin. printed in USA by Freedom Press ISBN 1-893910-24-5 E Mail info@freedompressonline.com Mate, you can heal yourself of all this within one year easily... God Bless and I'll say a prayer for you tonight.
    Hollywood Boulevarde 1 Replies Flag this Response
  • May I request that you read this? Both pages in full should be complete enough: www.drcarley.com and http://members.aol.com/doctorrmosk/articles/hidden.htm:mad:
    Curly Stooge 319 Replies Flag this Response
  • My story is all scattered around this message board- but the bottom line is- I think you are a lot like me- you are suffering from a bad combo of Emotions and Vaccines- vaccines alone can break your nervous system functioning if you don't even want to look into emotions (not current ones) as a possible cause.Research on the vaccines they gave you in the army- I am sure some of them are not even on the record- since they are being tested on army people like they are guinea pigs.Besides the emotions and the vaccines, the birth control pill is a nice little way to destroy one's life.So far, I know the vaccine effect can effectively be reversed with trampolins (they flush the lymphs when you jump), also saunas, and detox diets.You will need to use a good combo or Oriental Medicine, NAET, Reiki, and maybe even using integrative medicine to check for heavy metal toxicity and try chelation or something.You will also need to try yoga, meditation, and "recap" your past; there is a lot that you need to let go off. The army alone is emotionally toxic for anyone. Sorry, but I was an Army wife, and I have seen how army people's life is simply not rich. They might get lots of discounts and housing accomodations but the environment is not clean, healthy, open to healing, balancing- it is not a good life. People's sense of self love is stripped down from their core. Trust yourself, accept yourself, follow your gut- be honest to yourself.May you find healing in all levels of your being.Sincerely,
    Eatafruit78 960 Replies Flag this Response
  • I have a question for EataFruit: So, do you think the spouses of military members are affected from the "vaccines" they get? My husb. described something called the "poopy crud" that everyone got when he went for initial training. I just read a message from a friend who just started serving in Afghanistan and he mentioned the "Kabula crud". I am sure he received many vaccines before his boots touched ground. I just realized that coincidentally many of my symptoms started after my spouse entered the military. I have heard of the trampoline as good therapy for the lymph system. My aunt had lympoedema and received therapy for this at a Health South with specific massage and whirlpool treatment. The lymph system is a circulatory system, just like our blood stream, but it does not have a heart to pump the lymph fluid through. There are "valves" that allow the passage of fluid, but the jumping helps open and close these valves allowing lymph fluid to pass/circulate better. Is the thinking with the vaccines, since they are either dead or living viruses, that lymph "treatment" (trampoline) will flush them? But not alone, right? What systems exactly are affected by these symptoms (as I have the same ones)? Lymp and definitely the CNS. It seems I am noticing that many people with these symptoms Cyndi, myself and others describe have started in the late teens or early 20's. Is there a connection there? Does it seem like if one thing happens to your health, then other oportunistic things can move in adding to the misery? I noticed Cyndi, you posted symptoms of "cracked lips and corners of mouth". Could this be a secondary infection of yeast? Curly Stooge, this Hulda zapping thing is very intriguing. Is this anything like the treatment used for severe shingles? (a needle inserted into the skin and an electric frequency passes through via a device that looks like an old-fashioned hearing aid?). Cyndi, good luck and I hope we find some answers.
    Anonymous 42789 Replies Flag this Response
  • YES they say you can catch the illness from the vaccine on your husband, carefully read www.drcarley.com and http://members.aol.com/doctorrmosk/articles/hidden.htm - many other pages I'm sure. I don't know about that shingles device, sorry.
    Curly Stooge 319 Replies Flag this Response
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  • I have a question for EataFruit: So, do you think the spouses of military members are affected from the "vaccines" they get? My husb. described something called the "poopy crud" that everyone got when he went for initial training. I just read a message from a friend who just started serving in Afghanistan and he mentioned the "Kabula crud". I am sure he received many vaccines before his boots touched ground. I just realized that coincidentally many of my symptoms started after my spouse entered the military. I have heard of the trampoline as good therapy for the lymph system. My aunt had lympoedema and received therapy for this at a Health South with specific massage and whirlpool treatment. The lymph system is a circulatory system, just like our blood stream, but it does not have a heart to pump the lymph fluid through. There are "valves" that allow the passage of fluid, but the jumping helps open and close these valves allowing lymph fluid to pass/circulate better. Is the thinking with the vaccines, since they are either dead or living viruses, that lymph "treatment" (trampoline) will flush them? But not alone, right? What systems exactly are affected by these symptoms (as I have the same ones)? Lymp and definitely the CNS. It seems I am noticing that many people with these symptoms Cyndi, myself and others describe have started in the late teens or early 20's. Is there a connection there? Does it seem like if one thing happens to your health, then other oportunistic things can move in adding to the misery? I noticed Cyndi, you posted symptoms of "cracked lips and corners of mouth". Could this be a secondary infection of yeast? Curly Stooge, this Hulda zapping thing is very intriguing. Is this anything like the treatment used for severe shingles? (a needle inserted into the skin and an electric frequency passes through via a device that looks like an old-fashioned hearing aid?). Cyndi, good luck and I hope we find some answers.Yes- Trampoline will help but not alone. It is interesting how you mentioned that the lymphatic system does not have a pump- coz that's exactly what I learned last night watching a dvd on Energy Medicine and self treatment of meridians with massage and pressure (Dona Eden's Kit).I don't know if one can get sick from the spouses vaccines- but it was in the news how an infant or toddler got very sick due to his military dad's vaccines :confused:-- that sounds crazy- but it was in the news.I personally had vaccines that I had to have for inmigration purposes. Less than a week later my brain wanted to blow. I was put in some dangerous pain killers. They wanted to blame my condition to something I brough from my country- Agghhh:mad:- No one in my family or neightborhood have ever been reported that sick- so no bull :o.So far, the most effective thing in my life is NAET- but I had to really make this a full time job: Self help books , homeo, meditation, yoga, prayer, etc.God Bless you all.ps: I believe as Dr. Blaylock and Dr. Raymond Francis stated: vaccines affect the nervous system- and it will give you the "gliches". That alone, is enough because this one sends messages to all parts of the body: endocrine, joints, lungs, the heart, etc, etc. So it starts sending the wrong messages.So the nervous system uses neropeptides- this is all new research- very interesting- this explains how negative emotions and stress (out of control) can harm the body and trigger more disease.
    Eatafruit78 960 Replies Flag this Response
  • Hey,Thanks for all the good advise. I am doing my research. I went to see my Doc at the VA. He is sending me to a pain clinic in Seattle to see if they can help, plus he put me on another antidepressant, Citalopram. He said I should notice a difference in 4 weeks. All I feel right now is like sleeping all day and night. I don't want to even get out of bed. Really I can sleep all day and night and still sleep, sleep, sleep. I rarely go anywhere because I fall asleep at the wheel while driving. I hate this, feeling so tired, I want to go do things but I am so exhausted when I get home that I sleep for days. My doctor seems to think that with the depression treated I will get more energy. I hope so, but some how I doubt it. If I exercise I get tired so I save my energy for things I really need to do on the weekends. I did get vaccines in the military but only for MMR booster, tetnus, and Hep B. I don't think I can prove to the military that one of those shots caused the way I feel, they are so powerful and no one ever wins against them. I am lucky enough to get 5o% disability from them for my fall and injury. So I am still searching for a good doctor outside the VA in the Seattle or Tacoma area.
    cyndib1959 3 Replies Flag this Response
  • cyndi---chronic fatigue syndrome myalgic encephalomyelitis any of your docs ever hear of these?worth finding out...10 years...ever been tested?
    mommy cat 1654 Replies Flag this Response
  • I read the Hummingbirds Guide to M.E. and she has a severe illness that she says fatigue is not a main symptom. Her symptoms are severly debilitating,and from what I have read about CFS I do not think that is what she has. I can still walk and live some what a normal life. She is bedridden I am not, I am just sleepy and tired all the time. It is my most debilitating symptom. the other symptoms, lymph swelling, and all that only happen when I get a virus that I can't kick. The stress from babysitting my granddaughters I think is what is flaring me so much. I baby sit my grandchildren Mon thru Fri, it kills me but I love them and am trying to help my daughter until daycare opens up where she goes to school. I get up at 6 am, go in and lay down with the girls until they get up at 9 or 10 am. I drag through the day counting the minutes until she gets home at 5:30pm. I go in my bedroom and get on line in bed with my laptop and end up falling alseep for several hours. I stay awake unitl 10pm fall asleep until my husband gets home at 1am. I visit with him until 2 or 3am and then my day starts again at 6am. On the weekends I sleep unitl noon if my husband is not working the weekend. Until 3pm if he is working. I used to have a job from five am until 4:30pm and get home at 6pm. I would often fall asleep driving so I would pull over and sleep for an hour or so so I could make it home a live. I no longer work and this has been going on for the last 10 years I am now convinced that I do have CFS and FMS as I was diagnosed two years ago. I would like to find a doc that could diagnose the CFS and treat my symptoms so I can have my energy back. If thats even possible.
    cyndib1959 3 Replies Flag this Response
  • It may be that part of your current problem is Mount Rainier. The rock under the earth there is under stress, causing radiation, making weakened people sick. Some homeopaths can treat for this. Try eating lots of cabbage. Others from that area have also complained.This famous doctor says we should drink quite a lot of water and also salt: http://www.phenomenews.com/nov2005/0a.htm - try to get Trocomare salt by Dr A. Vogel of Switzerland, in the place of "smooth flowing" salt. This may be why marathon runners are so addicted to their running, they take plenty water and salt. My mother and me have now done it for some days, cheap and it actually seems to work.
    Curly Stooge 319 Replies Flag this Response
  • cyndi, this curly sounds knowledgeable about the earthI've noticed a lot of activity on this site with chronic fatigue syndromeit affects a lot of things it's confusingsounds like you should forget the doctors and listen to this Eatafruit and CurlyIf the doctors already diagnosed it, what are they doing for it?do you take meds?you are wife of military? vaccines? Eatafruit seems to think like that...Val52 also is questioning itIt makes sense, but I don't knowtake it easy
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