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How do you protects from swine flue?

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  • Posted By: IrrindyGargag
  • May 20, 2009
  • 03:38 PM

Sorry moderator but it's very importatnt as i think...How do you protects from swine flue?

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  • 1. Wash your hands frequently (be sure you really wash them correctly!)2. Try to avoid large crowds (the more people, more risk that someone there has something)3. Don't touch your hands to your eyes or mouth without disinfection. 4. Use hand sanitizer5. Cover your mouth and nose when you cough/sneeze or when someone ELSE does. Normal ways that you would protect yourself against a normal flu.
    Harmonium 322 Replies Flag this Response
  • Seriously, I'd like to see the evidence that shows washing hands protects you from viruses. Far more people die from obesidy than from swine flu - ***l, more people are killed by clowns that from swine flu (haha; no joke). The best way to keep your health is to not play into the histeria that is the swine flu pandemic. Furthermore, diagnosis of swine flu is pretty sketchy - because as all of us should know, they are using variable antibody indication methodologies.P.S. this forum is in serious need of moderation.P.P.S. how do 1, 2, and 4 keep viruses from spreading? Furthermore, swine flu isn't treated as a normal flu, and a lot of people get normal flus.
    npcomplete 20 Replies Flag this Response
  • Seriously, I'd like to see the evidence that shows washing hands protects you from viruses. Far more people die from obesidy than from swine flu - ***l, more people are killed by clowns that from swine flu (haha; no joke). The best way to keep your health is to not play into the histeria that is the swine flu pandemic. Furthermore, diagnosis of swine flu is pretty sketchy - because as all of us should know, they are using variable antibody indication methodologies.P.S. this forum is in serious need of moderation.P.P.S. how do 1, 2, and 4 keep viruses from spreading? Furthermore, swine flu isn't treated as a normal flu, and a lot of people get normal flus.Are you seriously trying to tell the poster that hand washing or using sanitizer is an ineffective way to prevent germs from spreading?!?!?!?!? If you do not know this basic fact, you should not be posting on this forum whatsoever. :eek::mad::eek:While I agree that Swine Flu is a bit of over-reaction, as I said in my earlier post-- preventing Swine Flu is the same as preventing regular flu-- GOOD HYGIENE!! Here is the Wikipedia link to hand washing; at the bottom of the link are multiple links to various studies that have been done to prove the efficacy of hand washing. It quite literally saves lives:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_washing#'s 1 and 4 relate to the idea that hand-washing/sterilizing prevents the spread of disease, a thoroughly documented fact. #2 was saying that if you want to avoid airborne flu's, staying away from groups of individuals who might have is a good prevention method-- yet another proven fact. Really, nccomplete, these are basic scientific facts. You should know this stuff if you hope to help anyone on this forum or for that matter help yourself. Shame on you! :mad:
    Harmonium 322 Replies Flag this Response
  • There is a very large difference between viruses and bacteria. One can live on your hands, one dies very quickly outside of a host. As far as I'm concerned there is more evidence to show that people who are germaphobes get sick more often than those who aren't. It is quite a superstition (almost religious in nature) to think that things you touch will get 'whatever you got'. Viruses don't just sit around hiding on your hands - by definition they depend on living cells to live (otherwise they breakdown very quickly and attenuate very easily).In fact, constant washing and break down of your natural defenses like oils, scabs, and skin covering your skin (that can have many very small cuts and such) is a pretty poor strategy for defending against 'germs'.Good hygiene only goes so far when preventing the spread of viruses. We have sewage system and a vast assortment of other technologies that prevent black plague like conditions in 21st century days, but there are a lot of other variables to take into account. Scientific facts? There is a lot of science opposing those "facts" too.
    npcomplete 20 Replies Flag this Response
  • There is a very large difference between viruses and bacteria. One can live on your hands, one dies very quickly outside of a host. As far as I'm concerned there is more evidence to show that people who are germaphobes get sick more often than those who aren't. It is quite a superstition (almost religious in nature) to think that things you touch will get 'whatever you got'. Viruses don't just sit around hiding on your hands - by definition they depend on living cells to live (otherwise they breakdown very quickly and attenuate very easily).In fact, constant washing and break down of your natural defenses like oils, scabs, and skin covering your skin (that can have many very small cuts and such) is a pretty poor strategy for defending against 'germs'.Good hygiene only goes so far when preventing the spread of viruses. We have sewage system and a vast assortment of other technologies that prevent black plague like conditions in 21st century days, but there are a lot of other variables to take into account. Scientific facts? There is a lot of science opposing those "facts" too.
    npcomplete 20 Replies Flag this Response
  • There is a very large difference between viruses and bacteria. One can live on your hands, one dies very quickly outside of a host. As far as I'm concerned there is more evidence to show that people who are germaphobes get sick more often than those who aren't. It is quite a superstition (almost religious in nature) to think that things you touch will get 'whatever you got'. Viruses don't just sit around hiding on your hands - by definition they depend on living cells to live (otherwise they breakdown very quickly and attenuate very easily).In fact, constant washing and break down of your natural defenses like oils, scabs, and skin covering your skin (that can have many very small cuts and such) is a pretty poor strategy for defending against 'germs'.I completely agree. However, no one is suggesting a religious fervency for hand-washing. Viruses do live inside living hosts-- but the fact remains that hand washing before a meal, after changing a diaper, before you put in contacts, after going to the bathroom, etc is still the best prevention method for dealing with any flu virus other than the vaccine...for which Swine Flu has none. No one is suggesting becoming a germaphobe or taking anything to any extreme. It is thought that a virus like the flu can live up to 48 hours on a host before death to the virus-- plenty of time to allow the host to invade your own body. Simple hand washing DOES prevent the spread of all kinds of disease, including viruses. Good hygiene only goes so far when preventing the spread of viruses. We have sewage system and a vast assortment of other technologies that prevent black plague like conditions in 21st century days, but there are a lot of other variables to take into account. Scientific facts? There is a lot of science opposing those "facts" too.You ASKED for evidence, I provided such to back up my claims. Something you have not done, btw. Any time you do scientific research, you can gain affirmations to any claim, just about, if you try. I'm not at all surprised that there are many claims out there against chronic, excessive hand washing, but can you show me one credible source that says the general hand washing is harmful? I agree that good hygiene only goes so far.....that doesn't change the fact that it is still a first line of defense, exactly what the questioner asked about. I answered that question factually and honestly. You attacked me for such, and still have the impression that I am in favor of germaphobia or do not know the difference between a virus and a bacteria. Please quit making assumptions about me that are not true and if you want to help, answer the original poster's question.
    Harmonium 322 Replies Flag this Response
  • I think it is important when mentioning handwashing, that it is a good idea to use PLAIN soap, and stay away from any antimicrobial and antibacterial soaps. Also stay away from using such products as bleach, lysol, etc too excessively. The best protection against any flu or virus is a strong immune system. Best wishesDOM
    acuann 3080 Replies Flag this Response
  • This is not ad hominem - I wanted to inject skepticism and that is what I did. What is the evidence that a virus can live outside of the host for 24hours (and then actually be effective or transmitted to another organism)?As acuann says, the best defense is a strong immune system, and since the mucous membranes and skin are part of the immune system and your well-being, then forcing itself to repair, re-moisturize, etc, etc all of the time after washing it is good evidence for the contrary.I'm not attacking you - and you shouldn't be complaining; you first told me: "Really, nccomplete, these are basic scientific facts. You should know this stuff if you hope to help anyone on this forum or for that matter help yourself. Shame on you!"Your list of recommendations is a list of phobic behavior. We know that by far the most damage done by swine flu was in reaction to it (killing loads of livestock, quarantining people unnecessarily, spreading fear, etc). Furthermore, maybe the best way to stay healthy is to avoid such phobic behavior since people who are exposed to things are better at dealing with them.
    npcomplete 20 Replies Flag this Response
  • The precautions I have suggested are only phobic behaviour if they are done incessantly or excessively. What I'm suggesting is good personal hygiene, a far cry from obsessive over-cleansing! I agree with Acuann that a good immune system is the best preventative, but that's not my expertise. He/she was asking what could be done to prevent a flu--specifically the swine flu. I agree with you that there has been a rash response to the swine flu that was entirely unnecessary. However, preventing both flu's by the book is to follow the suggestions I listed (now numerous times with cited sources) above. I have given you numerous studies that back up my claims. You have not done so for yours. This is indeed an ad hominem attack if you will continue to refuse to back up your claims and continue to dismiss my views based on "phobic behaviour" that I am in no way espousing. If you would like to see information on how long the flu (any flu) can live outside the human body, look here: According to James Steckelberg, M.D., a disease specialist from the Mayo clinic, and other colleagues : The length of time that cold or flu germs can survive outside the body on an environmental surface, such as a doorknob, varies greatly. But the suspected range is from a few seconds to 48 hours - depending on the specific virus and the type of surface. Flu viruses tend to live longer on surfaces than cold viruses do. Also, it's generally believed that cold and flu viruses live longer on nonporous surfaces - such as plastic, metal or wood - than they do on porous surfaces - such as fabrics, skin or paper. Although cold and flu viruses primarily spread from person-to-person contact, you can also become infected from contact with contaminated surfaces. The best way to avoid becoming infected with a cold or flu is to wash your hands frequently with soap and water or with an alcohol-based sanitizer.Or you could go to the CDC website at: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/preventing.htmIt's fine if you want to voice dissent. But please don't make assumption about me or what I am intending with my replies. You most certainly did attack me when you said: Seriously, I'd like to see the evidence that shows washing hands protects you from viruses. Far more people die from obesidy than from swine flu - ***l, more people are killed by clowns that from swine flu (haha; no joke). The best way to keep your health is to not play into the histeria that is the swine flu pandemic. Furthermore, diagnosis of swine flu is pretty sketchy - because as all of us should know, they are using variable antibody indication methodologies.P.S. this forum is in serious need of moderation.P.P.S. how do 1, 2, and 4 keep viruses from spreading? Furthermore, swine flu isn't treated as a normal flu, and a lot of people get normal flus. 05-20-2009 11:03 AMSaying that the forum is in serious need of moderation in response to my post is offensive to me. Now, you are continually dismissing what I am actually saying and accusing me of "phobic behavior". Please, listen to what I am saying (re-read if you need to)-- I think you will find that you and I actually agree more than we disagree.
    Harmonium 322 Replies Flag this Response
  • I don't have much time to reply, but I'll say this:1) cite peer reviewed studies not doctors saying things2) you really haven't replied to the specifics of my argument3) that moderation P.S. was not aimed at you but nearly every other thread in this forum.
    npcomplete 20 Replies Flag this Response
  • Hand washing and avoiding large crowds makes perfect sense to me. I dont know about you others but i myself do touch my mouth and nose countless times a day and the flu has to invade the system somewhere. If you are concerned about catching the flu, i suggest to also do things which will boost the immune system. eg start taking echinacea now. Also things like olive leaf extract may be taken. I keep a good vitamin C supplement on hand too and take large doses of on the first sign of any kind of viral illness. (a powered C supplement with a couple of bioflavoniods eg rutin etc .. is the best. Most of the supermarket kinds are crap and probably wont do much as they leave out the bioflavoniods which are needed for good absorption of it)......... Ive only just got out of the main cities hospital emergency dept where i spent the last 24 hrs with sick and some coughing patients. They have set up flu clinic there but there was still patients with flu symptoms in emergeny.
    taniaaust1 2267 Replies Flag this Response
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